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Post by Grey on Oct 3, 2015 19:26:15 GMT 5
That's very much polemical that's why I tend to not too much write about that on this board, but I clearly assume to be 100 % opposed to this, there are tonnes of reasons behind this. The only question I have for the supporters of this is : what's next step guys ? What's the f***ing next step ??
But expect no lengthy discussion of this here.
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Post by mechafire on Oct 3, 2015 22:53:23 GMT 5
Incest legalization will come, at least will be proposed, just as the merchandising of adopted children by surrogacy, that's the logical sequence of the gay marriage. Our Western civilisation really starts to be decadent. Yes guys, we can be a science enthusiast but a conservative from a societal standpoint. Being scientific doesn't mean to hate religion, institution and take everything as "progress" as long as it comes from the left-wing. You present no argument for the inevitability of what you describe. It's not a logical progression, it's a slippery slope.
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Post by Grey on Oct 4, 2015 1:39:36 GMT 5
No arguments because I said I don't want to discuss this on the board.
If you want to find those arguments, check what are the subsequent claimings, who really wants this kind of progress (most of the gay people just don't cared about that) and let's discuss this in ten years.
The politicization of the sexual life is the ground zero of the political debate. Try to use a reading grid from a marxist standpoint on these questions.
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Post by spinodontosaurus on Oct 4, 2015 18:04:16 GMT 5
Incest legalization will come. This is an absurd notion, and your implication that legalization of gay marriage is in any way comparable is even more so.
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Post by creature386 on Oct 4, 2015 20:09:14 GMT 5
Grey already said he is not interested in such a discussion, so I don't think we all need to reply now to him.
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Post by Grey on Oct 4, 2015 22:10:56 GMT 5
Incest legalization will come. This is an absurd notion, and your implication that legalization of gay marriage is in any way comparable is even more so. You don't live in my country, such proposal has been already made (among others and curiously right after the legalization of the gay marriage) but mainstream medias avoid to talk about this that much. That's no so much absurd, time will tell. But I tend to focuse on the issues in my country, I won't judge the policy about this in your countries. If you think the gay marriage is an absolute marvellous thing for the progress of your nation, I won't judge that, just like I tend to not judge African nations which are fundamentally based on historically totally different patterns. In Senegal, being homosexual means 7 years in prison. I won't judge this country for that, that's their own world.
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Post by drone on Oct 5, 2015 12:49:14 GMT 5
Hmm... How is gay marriage and incest progressive?
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Post by Deathadder on Oct 5, 2015 16:58:12 GMT 5
Because it shows that we can in a way "support" gay marriage and not discriminate against people who are "different"(different in terms of sexual orientation) from us. Iverat is awful, and disgusting and should never be legalized. What grey said was absurd and jumped to proposturus conclusions.
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Post by Grey on Oct 5, 2015 17:28:10 GMT 5
Because it shows that we can in a way "support" gay marriage and not discriminate against people who are "different"(different in terms of sexual orientation) from us. Iverat is awful, and disgusting and should never be legalized. What grey said was absurd and jumped to proposturus conclusions. Well few decades ago gay marriage was also stated as "absurd"... Time will tell and I hope I'm wrong. But even without that, I was insisting that one can be scientific and conservative from a societal viewpoint. I'm for improved civil right for homosexual couples but marriage is symbolically the union of the difference between a man and a woman. No more no less. Gay marriage is irrelevant to anything from this viewpoint. But in a world where a woman can be married to the Eiffel Tower, I don't expect anything sane anymore from the Western "progress". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Eiffel
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Post by spinodontosaurus on Oct 5, 2015 18:48:17 GMT 5
And? The fact that it is becoming increasingly accepted in the western world demonstrates how far we have come in those few decades. As this thread demonstrates, evidently not far enough, but in time hopefully people will stop comparing homosexuality to incest.
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Post by Grey on Oct 5, 2015 18:58:20 GMT 5
And? The fact that it is becoming increasingly accepted in the western world demonstrates how far we have come in those few decades. As this thread demonstrates, evidently not far enough, but in time hopefully people will stop comparing homosexuality to incest. No one is comparing homosexuality to incest but marriage is the union of the man and woman, nothing more. I'm wondering how far we'll come with the progress of a certain ultra-liberal libertarian left-wing. In my country the same left-wing strongly in favor for the gay marriage is the very same that was fghting for the legalization of pedophilia in my country in the 70's : fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologie_de_la_p%C3%A9dophilieThat's not against the homosexual people, that's against who is behind this progress, who wants it, and for which purpose ? But if you consider this is progress guys, believe it. I don't want this to become a hotted debate, I'm here for appreciate good paleobiological discussions, nothing else.
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Post by Life on Oct 6, 2015 10:07:57 GMT 5
Liberalism is leading humanity back to the Stone Age era practices in the matters of morality. Sex out of wedlock and legalization of homosexuality are the new norms. I will not be surprised if incest and bestiality are legalized as well in the future at some point because when the socially-ingrained moral fabric begins to erode, human primal urges take precedence. This is not progress, this is psychological de-evolution in the works.
Religions were a step towards differentiation among human norms and animalistic life-style. Religions represented true progress in human values and norms. But religious values are slowly eroding in modern era.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Oct 6, 2015 11:21:08 GMT 5
Liberalism is leading humanity back to the Stone Age era practices in the matters of morality. Sex out of wedlock and legalization of homosexuality are the new norms. I will not be surprised if incest and bestiality are legalized as well in the future at some point because when the socially-ingrained moral fabric begins to erode, human primal urges take precedence. This is not progress, this is psychological de-evolution in the works. Religions were a step towards differentiation among human norms and animalistic life-style. Religions represented true progress in human values and norms. But religious values are slowly eroding in modern era. youre right, gay people have been allowed to get married in my country for 10 years thats half my life i better start shagging my dog. what a laughable view.
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Post by Life on Oct 6, 2015 12:59:15 GMT 5
Liberalism is leading humanity back to the Stone Age era practices in the matters of morality. Sex out of wedlock and legalization of homosexuality are the new norms. I will not be surprised if incest and bestiality are legalized as well in the future at some point because when the socially-ingrained moral fabric begins to erode, human primal urges take precedence. This is not progress, this is psychological de-evolution in the works. Religions were a step towards differentiation among human norms and animalistic life-style. Religions represented true progress in human values and norms. But religious values are slowly eroding in modern era. youre right, gay people have been allowed to get married in my country for 10 years thats half my life i better start shagging my dog. what a laughable view. Incest and bestiality events do occur, even depicted on the relevant online avenues. Now, it is not necessary that everybody is into this stuff, but some are. And I am pointing out the legality aspects of these matters. As the moral fabric of the society w.r.t. sexuality continues to erode, humans will continue to push boundaries in these matters. As the newer generations become more sexual, they are likely to redefine moral values accordingly. Think about values of a society 50 years in the future.
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Post by drone on Oct 6, 2015 13:39:06 GMT 5
Liberalism =/= left wing politics, and conservatism =/= right wing politics. Proposing a degenerative backwards ideology such as incest is the complete opposite of the ideology of liberalism, which seeks for progress, real progress, not the straw man "progress" such as gay marriage and incest claimed by ultraconservative extremists.
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