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Post by Runic on Apr 27, 2014 10:17:54 GMT 5
-> caracals kill Martial Eagles all the time Lol no they don't. I however would love to see your proof tho! You need proof for caracal's killing martial eagles? if your that retarded just search caracal vs martial eagle. Aww the poor kids resorting to name calling, how cute  and he calls me retarded when he said your and not you're in his sentence LMFAO. Your is the possessive form, you're is for nouns ya dim wit! And I shouldn't need to because if you actually had proof of it happening you would post it not send me on a wild goose chase. Fact remains they don't "commonly" do it. If YOU'RE (NOT YOUR) that retarded I pity you lolz |
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Post by Runic on Apr 27, 2014 10:20:29 GMT 5
lol even ocelots have killed female harpy eagles, most by ambush although there are some in a face to face fight. Ocelots and bobcats average around the same weight, but the ocelot is no where near as impressive as the bobcat. Cept they haven't "face to face"! I'd love your accounts tho! |
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Post by Weasel on Apr 27, 2014 11:45:24 GMT 5
Caracals hunt martial eagles, I have no idea where the got the thought that they didn't but it's a fact that caracals hunt martial eagles!!!
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Post by Runic on Apr 27, 2014 11:49:12 GMT 5
Caracals hunt martial eagles, I have no idea where the got the thought that they didn't but it's a fact that caracals hunt martial eagles!!! And its a fact Martial Eagles kill Caracals. Two way street sunshine  !! |
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Post by Weasel on Apr 27, 2014 11:53:05 GMT 5
Martial eagles don't kill full grown male caracals, but female/male caracals kill female martial eagles.
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Post by theropod on Apr 27, 2014 16:10:04 GMT 5
Getting better and better…
You are telling me the eagle will just wait patiently and watch the cat trying to "pluck it out of the air"?
Give me proof for Caracals killing birds the way you describe please!
There is one single account, involving an adult male caracal that took a grounded steppe eagle, and a few unsubstantiated claims in animal forums and newspapers that say something the sort of "caracals can kill large birds, like martial eagles". That does not support your "subadult caracals kill martial eagles defending their nest all the time" claim.
Especially, for someone who puts that much emphasis on ambush attacks on the raptor’s part, it is strange to give so much relevance to an account that was obviously much more of an ambush (not even giving the eagle time to flee, and you have seen how quickly they can do that!).
You have been claiming this for days now, without ever bothering to provide any proof. the inference from that is that there likely is none.
Caracals do not appear to commonly kill martial eagles–not any more commonly than the reverse for sure. Nobody here doubts that a tom caracal could kill a martial eagle, at least if it can take it by surprise. I don’t see how that is relevant tough.
You apparently cannot give me a single account involving a cat killing an eagle of comparable size, save for one 115-year-old newspaper article. if you want to prove me wrong, provide them! Period.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 27, 2014 16:37:54 GMT 5
Going to lean towards the harpy now.
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Post by creature386 on Apr 27, 2014 17:41:32 GMT 5
Looks like we see the stating plain "facts" is better than providing evidence philosophy again.
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Post by theropod on Apr 27, 2014 17:58:36 GMT 5
But you know, it is a fact that caracals prey on martial eagles regularly! So why provide evidence  Evidence is sooo overrated, especially when it is about felines Googling should alledgedly direct you towards tons of accounts of subadult caracals killing similar-sized martial eagles defending their nests… It must be my eyes, but I cannot find them. Seriously, some of the eagle-underrating that is performed by certain people is nothing short of hilarious. Surely, they can be overrated at times, but the general trend seems to be that people believe an eagle wasn’t able to kill a similar-sized cat in a fight, even though there are enough accounts that prove eagles come out on top in such scenarios. |
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Post by Runic on Apr 27, 2014 18:08:15 GMT 5
He goes from stating that it was a female 5kg cat the wounded a larger golden. Then I enlighten him that male golden only weigh 7lbs then he changes it yo say the cat was smaller than the eagle!
Lol!!
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Post by Weasel on Apr 28, 2014 5:52:53 GMT 5
Nonsense I've never seen a account where a martial eagles kills caracal I won't doubt there are a few though. Sorry to correct you 'theropod' but a tom caracal does not need to ambush a martial eagle in order to kill it  A cat at parity is enough to kill a raptor. |
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Post by Weasel on Apr 28, 2014 6:28:03 GMT 5
He goes from stating that it was a female 5kg cat the wounded a larger golden. Then I enlighten him that male golden only weigh 7lbs then he changes it yo say the cat was smaller than the eagle! Lol!! You said it was a norwegian forest cat. btw I was wrong about housecats weighing 5kg toms might get to that size but avg. weight is actually 8.6 lb still heavier than the eagle though. |
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Post by theropod on Apr 28, 2014 14:54:25 GMT 5
Nonsense I've never seen a account where a martial eagles kills caracal I won't doubt there are a few though. Sorry to correct you 'theropod' but a tom caracal does not need to ambush a martial eagle in order to kill it A cat at parity is enough to kill a raptor. Oh, so cats can fly? That’s the only way a cat could possibly attack a raptor and not do so by ambush. Get over it, the raptor will always be the agressor in such fights, it can freely decide whether, when, where and what to attack. I must correct myself, I confused that account earlier. Just looked it up and it was a steppe eagle→, not a martial eagle. So there is actualy no report at all of a caracal killing a martial eagle… A cat at parity can undoubtedly kill a raptor. It just happens next to never, because the raptor’s attack strategy and weapons are too formidable. That’s why we see raptors preying on cats at the same size, not the reverse. |
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Post by Runic on Apr 28, 2014 16:10:01 GMT 5
He goes from stating that it was a female 5kg cat the wounded a larger golden. Then I enlighten him that male golden only weigh 7lbs then he changes it yo say the cat was smaller than the eagle! Lol!! You said it was a norwegian forest cat. btw I was wrong about housecats weighing 5kg toms might get to that size but avg. weight is actually 8.6 lb still heavier than the eagle though. It was a norwegian forest cat just google a picture. And yes eagles are known to kill caracals |
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Post by theropod on Apr 28, 2014 17:54:14 GMT 5
OK, so before discussing this matter any further:
I want to see evidence for caracals killing martial eagles and for martial eagles killing caracals. While I’m quite confident both happen, so far not a single account has been posted, just so-called "facts".
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and he calls me retarded when he said your and not you're in his sentence LMFAO. Your is the possessive form, you're is for nouns ya dim wit!
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A cat at parity is enough to kill a raptor.