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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 12, 2020 17:47:29 GMT 5
Perhaps I can address this issue? Ceratodromeus jdangerousdinosaur theropod Provide an overview of size estimation(s) of each theropod in focus from different authors in chronological format and which proposition is most accurate. Table formatting:- Authors (Year) | animal name | size estimation in full | comments/criticism (if any) References at the bottom. I will help in building a consensus for these themes for future references. Maybe I could give my 2 cents too? Author and Date: SpinoInWonderland, May 5, 2017 Animal: Carcharodontosaurus Size estimation: At least 5 tonnes for the holotype and 11.09 meters axial length, while 9 tonnes for the neotype and 13.22 meters axial length ( source) References Used:Stromer, 1931, "Wirbeltier-Reste der Baharijestufe(unterstes Cenornan). Ein skelett-rest von Carcharodontosaurus nov. gen"
Sereno et al., 1996, "Predatory dinosaurs from the Sahara and Late Cretaceous faunal differentiation"
Stovall and Langston, 1950, "Acrocanthosaurus atokensis, a new genus and species of lower Cretaceous theropoda from Oklahoma"
Harris, 1998, "A reanalysis of Acrocanthosaurus atokensis, it's phylogenetic status, and paleobiogeographic implications, based on a new specimen from Texas"
Coria and Currie, 2006, "A new carcharodontosaurid (Dinosauria, Theropoda) from the Upper Cretaceous of Argentina"
Eddy and Clarke, 2011, "New information on the cranial anatomy of Acrocanthosaurus atokensis and its implications for the phylogeny of Allosauroidea (Dinosauria: Theropoda)"
Brusatte et al., 2010, "The osteology of Shaochilong maortuensis, a carcharodontosaurid (Dinosauria: Theropoda) from the Late Cretaceous of Asia"
Canale et al, 2013, "Osteology and phylogenetic relationships of Tyrannotitan chubutensis Novas, de Valais, Vickers-Rich and Rich, 2005 (Theropoda: Carcharodontosauridae) from the Lower Cretaceous of Patagonia, Argentina"
Scott Hartman's Giganotosaurus
GetAwayTrike's Acrocanthosaurus
The million dollar question: Which skeletal is most accurate?There isn't really much of an answer to that question until more Carcharodontosaurus bones are found; it's an animal known from rather few remains and there are multiple plausible ways to interpret given data, such as SIW's and Franoys', so for the time being take whatever floats your boat |
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Post by Life on Jan 12, 2020 19:25:58 GMT 5
Perhaps I can address this issue? Ceratodromeus jdangerousdinosaur theropod Provide an overview of size estimation(s) of each theropod in focus from different authors in chronological format and which proposition is most accurate. Table formatting:- Authors (Year) | animal name | size estimation in full | comments/criticism (if any) References at the bottom. I will help in building a consensus for these themes for future references. Maybe I could give my 2 cents too? Author and Date: SpinoInWonderland, May 5, 2017 Animal: Carcharodontosaurus Size estimation: At least 5 tonnes for the holotype and 11.09 meters axial length, while 9 tonnes for the neotype and 13.22 meters axial length ( source) References Used:Stromer, 1931, "Wirbeltier-Reste der Baharijestufe(unterstes Cenornan). Ein skelett-rest von Carcharodontosaurus nov. gen"
Sereno et al., 1996, "Predatory dinosaurs from the Sahara and Late Cretaceous faunal differentiation"
Stovall and Langston, 1950, "Acrocanthosaurus atokensis, a new genus and species of lower Cretaceous theropoda from Oklahoma"
Harris, 1998, "A reanalysis of Acrocanthosaurus atokensis, it's phylogenetic status, and paleobiogeographic implications, based on a new specimen from Texas"
Coria and Currie, 2006, "A new carcharodontosaurid (Dinosauria, Theropoda) from the Upper Cretaceous of Argentina"
Eddy and Clarke, 2011, "New information on the cranial anatomy of Acrocanthosaurus atokensis and its implications for the phylogeny of Allosauroidea (Dinosauria: Theropoda)"
Brusatte et al., 2010, "The osteology of Shaochilong maortuensis, a carcharodontosaurid (Dinosauria: Theropoda) from the Late Cretaceous of Asia"
Canale et al, 2013, "Osteology and phylogenetic relationships of Tyrannotitan chubutensis Novas, de Valais, Vickers-Rich and Rich, 2005 (Theropoda: Carcharodontosauridae) from the Lower Cretaceous of Patagonia, Argentina"
Scott Hartman's Giganotosaurus
GetAwayTrike's Acrocanthosaurus
The million dollar question: Which skeletal is most accurate?There isn't really much of an answer to that question until more Carcharodontosaurus bones are found; it's an animal known from rather few remains and there are multiple plausible ways to interpret given data, such as SIW's and Franoys', so for the time being take whatever floats your boat I am seeking specimen-wise data from scientific publications in chronological order. Blogs will be ignored for now. Like this:- Authors at al (1996) | Theropod ABC | Specimens (enter details) | Additional observations Authors at al (2001) | Theropod ABC | specimens (enter details) | Additional observations Continue.... |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 12, 2020 19:27:54 GMT 5
So just publications, no data? And formatted like above?
That's doable I guess
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Post by Life on Jan 12, 2020 19:33:14 GMT 5
So just publications, no data? And formatted like above? That's doable I guess Yes. Data to be highlighted = specimen measurements and corresponding size estimations. This work should have a separate thread; agenda is to build consensus from information in publications. This is like a systematic literature review for size estimations of any theropod. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 12, 2020 21:03:39 GMT 5
So, hopefully this is the correct way. Just SIW's data; no more
Stromer, 1931, "Wirbeltier-Reste der Baharijestufe(unterstes Cenornan). Ein skelett-rest von Carcharodontosaurus nov. gen"
Sereno et al., 1996, "Predatory dinosaurs from the Sahara and Late Cretaceous faunal differentiation"
Stovall and Langston, 1950, "Acrocanthosaurus atokensis, a new genus and species of lower Cretaceous theropoda from Oklahoma"
Harris, 1998, "A reanalysis of Acrocanthosaurus atokensis, it's phylogenetic status, and paleobiogeographic implications, based on a new specimen from Texas"
Coria and Currie, 2006, "A new carcharodontosaurid (Dinosauria, Theropoda) from the Upper Cretaceous of Argentina"
Eddy and Clarke, 2011, "New information on the cranial anatomy of Acrocanthosaurus atokensis and its implications for the phylogeny of Allosauroidea (Dinosauria: Theropoda)"
Brusatte et al., 2010, "The osteology of Shaochilong maortuensis, a carcharodontosaurid (Dinosauria: Theropoda) from the Late Cretaceous of Asia"
Canale et al, 2013, "Osteology and phylogenetic relationships of Tyrannotitan chubutensis Novas, de Valais, Vickers-Rich and Rich, 2005 (Theropoda: Carcharodontosauridae) from the Lower Cretaceous of Patagonia, Argentina"
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 13, 2020 0:41:58 GMT 5
1: Again, WHAT IS SO IMPROPER about this? I'm addressing everything as best I can No-one is forcing you to reply to every single sentence. If you can't reply to something, skip it, concede defeat on that point and move on or just make a general rather than paragraph-by-paragraph response. The last option can be really useful at times. Like that, you stick to the central point in a debate in mind without going on irrelevant tangents. Plus, you are forced to show actual understanding of your opponent's points if you want to see the big picture. While I don't like his tone, I feel like Cerato has a point in this PM. That being said, crocuta rufus has recently messaged me and Life on Discord. Ceratodromeus is allegedly harassing crocuta via PM. I'd certainly like to see Cera's take on this conflict. I mean i'll screenshot the messages, if he wants to name call on discord but come on here and take issue when i talk to him about it that's his own issue. The issue stems from him calling people "autistic" on discord, when i confronted him about it he banned me from his server; I Dm'd him and he blocked me. I think its laughable he's complaining to you about "harassment" when he conducts himself that way. But, again, that's his own humorous issue. |
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Post by creature386 on Jan 13, 2020 0:51:05 GMT 5
No-one is forcing you to reply to every single sentence. If you can't reply to something, skip it, concede defeat on that point and move on or just make a general rather than paragraph-by-paragraph response. The last option can be really useful at times. Like that, you stick to the central point in a debate in mind without going on irrelevant tangents. Plus, you are forced to show actual understanding of your opponent's points if you want to see the big picture. While I don't like his tone, I feel like Cerato has a point in this PM. That being said, crocuta rufus has recently messaged me and Life on Discord. Ceratodromeus is allegedly harassing crocuta via PM. I'd certainly like to see Cera's take on this conflict. I mean i'll screenshot the messages, if he wants to name call on discord but come on here and take issue when i talk to him about it that's his own issue. The issue stems from him calling people "autistic" on discord, when i confronted him about it he banned me from his server; I Dm'd him and he blocked me. I think its laughable he's complaining to you about "harassment" when he conducts himself that way. But, again, that's his own humorous issue. Okay. He showed me screenshots which rather clearly presented you as a bad guy, but this context changes the whole issue. Wanna take this into the "Courtroom sessions" section, @carnosaurs and @ophiophagushannah? I don't want to discuss this in private nor in this thread and that section is a bit empty right now. |
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Jan 13, 2020 0:57:45 GMT 5
I mean i'll screenshot the messages, if he wants to name call on discord but come on here and take issue when i talk to him about it that's his own issue. The issue stems from him calling people "autistic" on discord, when i confronted him about it he banned me from his server; I Dm'd him and he blocked me. I think its laughable he's complaining to you about "harassment" when he conducts himself that way. But, again, that's his own humorous issue. Okay. He showed me screenshots which rather clearly presented you as a bad guy, but this context changes the whole issue. Somehow i'm not surprised. I'm guessing he just sent the WoA dm lol I mean Sure, i can get those screenshots from discord. |
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Post by theropod on Jan 13, 2020 3:44:51 GMT 5
So just publications, no data? And formatted like above? That's doable I guess Yes. Data to be highlighted = specimen measurements and corresponding size estimations. This work should have a separate thread; agenda is to build consensus from information in publications. This is like a systematic literature review for size estimations of any theropod. That is actually why I made "Animal Sizes", although the format is slightly different. The thread allows posters to post your own estimates as long as they are rigorous enough and data-driven (of course with proper clarifications as to whose estimate is actually being posted), but it is equally for summarizing published estimates without adding any original research, so I think what you have in mind can be posted there, maybe with a somewhat more in-depth methodological summary. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 22, 2020 16:17:09 GMT 5
A large sized megalosaurid (Theropoda, Tetanurae) from the late Jurassic of Uruguay and Tanzania  Abstract We report the first Jurassic remains that can confidently be referred to a megalosaurine theropod in Uruguay and Tanzania. This identification is sustained on a detailed morphological study. The large size of both teeth (>70 mm in lateral teeth) and denticles (<7 denticles per 5 mm), the clearly visible braided enamel texture, the centrally placed and apically restricted mesial carina in mesial teeth, and general shape of the teeth strongly resembles Torvosaurus. This is coherent with multivariate analyses of two datasets of large theropod teeth measurements, and also with the results of a phylogenetic analysis of theropod teeth. The presence of Torvosaurus in the Tacuarembó Formation of Uruguay further strengthens the Late Jurassic age proposed for the fossiliferous horizon. The Uruguayan megalosaurid would represent the apex predator in the vertebrate assemblage. The occurrence of megalosaurids in the Late Jurassic of Uruguay (the first unquestionable megalosaurid from South America) and Tanzania also greatly expands the geographical range of the family. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S089598111930505XInteresting! If these really are something like Megalosaurus (as was proposed centuries ago) or Torvosaurus, I wonder where else we'll find them? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 1, 2020 22:17:45 GMT 5
Tyrannosaurus rex cm 9380 Holotype by Franoys  Just some food for thought, but SpinoInWonderland tells me Franoys has oversized the dorsals compared to the measurements in Osborn (1906). Here are the measurements: |
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Post by jdangerousdinosaur on Mar 1, 2020 22:23:33 GMT 5
Maybe ? But like I have stated before I can either get my info from a practising and nearly actual palaeontologist or someone who has a huge bias against Tyrannosaurus.....plus this specimen has been discussed on the discord recently and everyone else is fine with it, I would link you but you have been banned.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 1, 2020 22:24:50 GMT 5
You may wish to speak with SpinoInWonderland about that. I can ask them as well.
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Post by jdangerousdinosaur on Mar 1, 2020 22:27:32 GMT 5
Ask Brolly a guy who has had a massive bias against Tyrannosaurus in the past or ask people on the discord who do not share the same bias....nah im good lad. Frans is fine you stick to your stuff i will stick to mine.
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Post by kekistani on Mar 1, 2020 23:48:27 GMT 5
Tyrannosaurus rex cm 9380 Holotype by Franoys Just some food for thought, but SpinoInWonderland tells me Franoys has oversized the dorsals compared to the measurements in Osborn (1906). Here are the measurements: Just like Broly oversized the dorsals on his charcarodontosaurus then? KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEK |
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