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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 25, 2014 5:10:01 GMT 5
The Komodo dragon will also do the same for the wolf, it would also find out which areas are most vulnerable and dangerous, not by the amount of intelligence, but by instinct and common sense. And I'm not aiming to put words in anyone's mouths, but I don't see how the ora's going to make any less coordinated attacks (it'll simply attack vital areas, just as the wolf will).
It shouldn't be that difficult IMO.
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Post by guategojira on Apr 25, 2014 5:20:20 GMT 5
The intelligence is not only in which parts can attack, but also when and how, and oras are just biting machines, while the wolf will overpower it if he manages to by it in the neck. But I don't think that the wolf will do that in the first stand, he will bite the ora many times, like they do with they common prey in they habitat.
On the skin, a wolf bite is enough to cut the strong skin of the wild boar, which I think is no less impressive than that of the ora.
About the claws, this are used like weapons but only in intra-specific conflicts. The taller wolf will manage to run and return, avoiding the attacks of the ora.
Have you play with a dog? It is the same thing, now compare it when wolves hunt. They are relentless in they attacks.
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Post by guategojira on Apr 25, 2014 5:28:07 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 25, 2014 5:29:53 GMT 5
I'm having a hard time believing the ora is just going to be a "biting machine" in this fight, and what makes you believe the wolf will overpower it?
I don't see why a mostly intraspecific conflict weapon can't be used in interspecific conflict, but you can just forget that; either way, I believe both combatants can easily hold their own here.
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Post by guategojira on Apr 25, 2014 5:34:32 GMT 5
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Apr 25, 2014 5:38:50 GMT 5
I agree with Runic in that a 50/50 will be the most close final, but Ausar the Vile, you are completely wrong if you think that intelligence is not important. The wolf will make coordinated attacks, probably will figure out what parts of the ora that are more vulnerable and knowing that the head in the most dangerous part, it will definitely avoid it, even over the tail. Now, the ora will only bite and bite and bite, but the speed of the wolf is vastly superior and its resistance and stamina is incredible. Finally, oras don't outsprint a deer. For the contrary, they attack by surprise, awaiting its prey and then using a final rush (weaker than that of cats, by the way) against the surprised prey. In fact, in one documentary was mentioned that there is few evidence of oras actually killing but more of oras scavenging. Not saying that they are not hunters, but the method of hunting (bite and wait) is not the best for a great active super-carnivore, like in this case, the wolf. i wouldn't take that documentary to credible then. komodo dragons are neither completely predatory or a complete scavenger. their rather opportunistic feeders that would take initiative if it's attainable. as well as scavenging, oras are known to readily hunt prey items. even to the point of claiming game trails to gain scent on a variety of prey items. and komodo dragans are actually quite impressive accelerators. although they do retain ambushing killing methods, they had been known to rush from a distance to lacerate the legs of ungulates and suids.
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Post by guategojira on Apr 25, 2014 5:40:54 GMT 5
I'm having a hard time believing the ora is just going to be a "biting machine" in this fight, and what makes you believe the wolf will overpower it? I don't see why a mostly intraspecific conflict weapon can't be used in interspecific conflict, but you can just forget that; either way, I believe both combatants can easily hold their own here. Like I say, the wolf will overpower (not kill it immediately) it if he bite it in the neck and shake it strongly, however, like I say too, I don't think that the wolf will do that, wild dogs when hunt alone (which is very rare), normally bite several times in order to weaken its prey (when they hunt in group, one bite the prey and hold it, while the other destroy the prey). Obviously, the ora can (and will) use its claws, if it can, but then I stated that the speed of the wolf will help him to avoid that kind of attacks. If the ora want to use its claws, he most be standing (as far I know), but by then the wolf will avoid that attack, unless than he think that he can take advantage of the situation, which from my point of view, will be counterproductive for the wolf. |
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Apr 25, 2014 5:41:06 GMT 5
quite informative. thanks for the post |
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Post by Supercommunist on Apr 25, 2014 5:42:56 GMT 5
I don't think brain power is an important factor in a fight, but komodo dragons may actually be more intelligent then wolves. Monitor lizards are capable of complex thought like thought.
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Post by guategojira on Apr 25, 2014 5:46:33 GMT 5
i wouldn't take that documentary to credible then. komodo dragons are neither completely predatory or a complete scavenger. their rather opportunistic feeders that would take initiative if it's attainable. as well as scavenging, oras are known to readily hunt prey items. even to the point of claiming game trails to gain scent on a variety of prey items. and komodo dragans are actually quite impressive accelerators. although they do retain ambushing killing methods, they had been known to rush from a distance to lacerate the legs of ungulates and suids.
Call me liar, but that was the same that I thought about that documentary. By the way, was one of NatGeo about the venom of the Komodo (it was the first time that I learn about that "venom", if it is). About the accelerations, I saw one time when an ora attacked a group of deers in a pool. It made a great attack but it don't manage to caught a single one (in that oportunity, obviously). Maybe the distance was too large. However, this rush can't be sustained as long as cats, which is already a relative short distance, if you take it in count. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 25, 2014 5:48:13 GMT 5
I'm having a hard time believing the ora is just going to be a "biting machine" in this fight, and what makes you believe the wolf will overpower it? I don't see why a mostly intraspecific conflict weapon can't be used in interspecific conflict, but you can just forget that; either way, I believe both combatants can easily hold their own here. Like I say, the wolf will overpower (not kill it immediately) it if he bite it in the neck and shake it strongly, however, like I say too, I don't think that the wolf will do that, wild dogs when hunt alone (which is very rare), normally bite several times in order to weaken its prey (when they hunt in group, one bite the prey and hold it, while the other destroy the prey). Obviously, the ora can (and will) use its claws, if it can, but then I stated that the speed of the wolf will help him to avoid that kind of attacks. If the ora want to use its claws, he most be standing (as far I know), but by then the wolf will avoid that attack, unless than he think that he can take advantage of the situation, which from my point of view, will be counterproductive for the wolf. Fair enough (I suppose). |
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Post by guategojira on Apr 25, 2014 5:50:12 GMT 5
I don't think brain power is an important factor in a fight, but komodo dragons may actually be more intelligent then wolves. Monitor lizards are capable of complex thought like thought. Intelligence is always important, in any fight. And as far I know, reptile intelligence is more "clever instinct" than strategy. Wolves, on the other hand, needs this intelligence not only by its complex social system, but also to create coordinated attacks. So, a " Lone wolf" (even the expression is impressive  ) is a great adversary.  Damn, I am afraid of him now!  |
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Apr 25, 2014 5:58:04 GMT 5
i wouldn't take that documentary to credible then. komodo dragons are neither completely predatory or a complete scavenger. their rather opportunistic feeders that would take initiative if it's attainable. as well as scavenging, oras are known to readily hunt prey items. even to the point of claiming game trails to gain scent on a variety of prey items. and komodo dragans are actually quite impressive accelerators. although they do retain ambushing killing methods, they had been known to rush from a distance to lacerate the legs of ungulates and suids.
Call me liar, but that was the same that I thought about that documentary. By the way, was one of NatGeo about the venom of the Komodo (it was the first time that I learn about that "venom", if it is). About the accelerations, I saw one time when an ora attacked a group of deers in a pool. It made a great attack but it don't manage to caught a single one (in that oportunity, obviously). Maybe the distance was too large. However, this rush can't be sustained as long as cats, which is already a relative short distance, if you take it in count. well, that's one example out of the many other that had resulted in a successful kill. I think we all can agree that the reptiles acceleration speed is not at all compared with a feline or canine, but the ora will not just be running at this opponent. that's not how fights work out. instead, that built up energy will be transferred into rushing, turning, wrestling, biting, tugging, ripping, and even grappling. komodo dragons as well as other varanids have been known to use their limbs as a secondary means of securing a prey item as well as the jaws if necessary. |
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Post by Supercommunist on Apr 25, 2014 7:08:05 GMT 5
Well it may help somewhat but it rarely will ever be a decisive factor. I think the only exception to this rule would be humans, who can actually use their brains to wield weapons.
Sorry I made a mistype before, I meant complex thought like counting(not complex thought like thought lol), which implies extremely high intelligence.
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Post by guategojira on Apr 25, 2014 7:59:46 GMT 5
Question, can dogs count? I mean, to have some elementary knowledge about quantities, like for example, horses? Answer, yes. Check this article: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090810025241.htmIntelligence can be used not only as humans do, if dogs can learn, imagine a wolf with a superior brain than that of a dog, he will learn much faster and use this to understand how and when he can use his incredible mandibles.  The top canid of the world. |
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