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Post by Grey on May 30, 2013 3:03:08 GMT 5
Tyrannosaurus rex © @ RJ PalmerLocality and age: western North America; Maastrichtian Diet: Meat (other giant dinosaurs) Weapons: Jaws, pedal claws Spinosaurus aegyptiacus © @ RJ PalmerLocality and age: northern Africa; Cenomanian Diet: Meat (fish, possibly other terrestrial vertebrates) Weapons: Jaws, manual claws
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Post by Grey on May 30, 2013 3:09:32 GMT 5
One of the most debatted, often ferociously, match on the internet and elsewhere. The problem veing that a large part of the enthusiasts are often immature or biased or both. I personnally love both of these behemoth and think the best is to wait further description of Spinosaurus material this summer. However, as I like when professionnal themselves are questionned, I've found this link of a lecture talk about dinosaurs by Phil Currie where he was asked by someone who would win between Tyrannosaurus and Spinosaurus. Unfortunetaly, the lecture is not available on the net but the article depicts Currie's prediction :
Dino discourse
Who would win in a fight — a Tyrannosaurus rex or a Spinosaurus?
This crucial question, posed by an eager young dinosaur fan, was just one of the many queries world-renowned paleontologist Philip Currie (above) fielded at The Royal Canadian Geographical Society (RCGS) Speaker Series event.
Currie’s May 2 lecture, “Dino Gangs,” entranced an audience gathered at the Canadian Museum of Civilization in Gatineau, Que., with stories of dinosaur fossil hunting in Canada and the clues that led to his groundbreaking theory: carnivorous dinosaurs, such as the T. rex, hunted in packs and were much more intelligent than previously thought.
After the lecture and an entertaining question-and-answer session (the T. rex beats the Spinosaurus hands down), Currie signed copies of Dino Gangs, a book about his theory that he co-authored with Josh Young.
“Dinosaur science has the unique ability to captivate us at any age,” says RCGS executive director André Préfontaine. “That’s why we were especially delighted that Dr. Currie, a Fellow of the Society, agreed to share his fascinating research with us. His compelling — and at times chilling — presentation definitely captured the imagination of everyone in the room.”
Currie will return to the same venue on Nov. 7 for the RCGSÂ’s Annual College of Fellows Dinner, when actors Dan Aykroyd and Donna Dixon Aykroyd will present him with the RCGS Gold Medal.www.rcgs.org/programs/speaker_series/2012_spring_currie2.asp |
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Post by theropod on May 30, 2013 3:12:45 GMT 5
I won't contribute to anachronistic matchups from now on, at least in terms of predictions on the outcome (everyone knows what I think would happen in this confrontation anyway), but there's a typo in the title.
That way I hopefully wont get as absorbed in debating "this animal wins against that animal exactly that way" as I get on Carnivora and can use my energies for more useful stuff.
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Post by Grey on May 30, 2013 23:56:02 GMT 5
I won't contribute to anachronistic matchups from now on, at least in terms of predictions on the outcome (everyone knows what i think would happen in this confrontation anyway), but there's a typo in the title. Why ? You had no problem to discuss this in carnivora. And WoA is predisposed to less anarchic, conflictual debates. |
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Post by theropod on May 31, 2013 1:05:10 GMT 5
That's the very reason. I prefer not to use this board, which I want as a place for scientific discourse, not for debating pointless anachronistic matchups.
I use carnivora mainly for entertainment nowadays (same with youtube-comments).
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Post by Fragillimus335 on May 31, 2013 1:27:33 GMT 5
Spinosaurus, due to sheer size and strength. theropod, I think VS style matchups are an integral part of any healthy forum. We need to focus on building membership before getting more elite in our topics. |
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Post by Runic on May 31, 2013 1:37:20 GMT 5
I agree with fragillimus, CF was the first forum I ever joined and to be frank I only joined it at first for the Vs conflict section. Though now I'm not as keen on debating which animal would kill which anymore, but nevertheless I enjoy a heated debate from time to time.  tho I have very little to no interest in giant theropods therefore I don't see my expertise being useful here. On a note: Back on CF I remember godzillaman complaining about how the dinosaurian section is nothing but quote "F*cking calculations and holotype talk." unquote. Does Grey favor T.Rex or Spinosaurus here though? |
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Post by theropod on May 31, 2013 1:37:42 GMT 5
I'm not criticising that we have them, just stating I will try not to take part in scientifically irrelevant stuff on this board. of course, building membership is essential, but we should think about which kind of members we want. Intraspecific conflict should not become the primary focus of this forum imo, tough it is ok to debate it at times.
I at least will try not to get absorbed on debates on the outcome, tough talking about general biological features of the animals is no problem.
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Post by Grey on May 31, 2013 2:02:50 GMT 5
I agree with fragillimus, CF was the first forum I ever joined and to be frank I only joined it at first for the Vs conflict section. Though now I'm not as keen on debating which animal would kill which anymore, but nevertheless I enjoy a heated debate from time to time. tho I have very little to no interest in giant theropods therefore I don't see my expertise being useful here. On a note: Back on CF I remember godzillaman complaining about how the dinosaurian section is nothing but quote "F*cking calculations and holotype talk." unquote. Does Grey favor T.Rex or Spinosaurus here though? When it comes to dinosaurs, I more likely follow Hartman's depictions. Using these, I usually slightly favor Spinosaurus, just because of its commonly alleged size. But I'm always skeptical by how much some are not cautious with that particular animal. There is still material in description and given the doubts of several theropods specialists on that question, I'm ready to retract my opinion at any time. Also, when paleontologists like Phil Currie argues (sad to not have the details) that Tyrannosaurus takes this hands down, I wonder. In the same time, Tom Holtz simply consider that it depends of who bites first... |
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Post by DinosaurMichael on May 31, 2013 2:06:31 GMT 5
50/50. Because of the Spinosaurus weight advantage.
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Post by Runic on May 31, 2013 2:13:00 GMT 5
I agree with fragillimus, CF was the first forum I ever joined and to be frank I only joined it at first for the Vs conflict section. Though now I'm not as keen on debating which animal would kill which anymore, but nevertheless I enjoy a heated debate from time to time. tho I have very little to no interest in giant theropods therefore I don't see my expertise being useful here. On a note: Back on CF I remember godzillaman complaining about how the dinosaurian section is nothing but quote "F*cking calculations and holotype talk." unquote. Does Grey favor T.Rex or Spinosaurus here though? When it comes to dinosaurs, I more likely follow Hartman's depictions. Using these, I usually slightly favor Spinosaurus, just because of its commonly alleged size. But I'm always skeptical by how much some are not cautious with that particular animal. There is still material in description and given the doubts of several theropods specialists on that question, I'm ready to retract my opinion at any time. Also, when paleontologists like Phil Currie argues (sad to not have the details) that Tyrannosaurus takes this hands down, I wonder. In the same time, Tom Holtz simply consider that it depends of who bites first... That quote surprised me as well. He said "Hands down". Quite a shocker. |
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Post by Grey on May 31, 2013 2:18:44 GMT 5
I have no problem with the size of Spinosaurus, even if it is heavily debatted.
But when I look closely at its snout, yes it looks dense and quite robust, but only quite robust for its size and shape ! It is frankly very narrow and I'm not sure to see this part of the skull engaged at length in fights with multi-tons foes.
I really hope the material curently in description will give more hints on the skills of this mysterious carnivore.
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Post by theropod on May 31, 2013 17:23:20 GMT 5
I have to break my rule to ask whether Currie couldn't have been joking.
Also, I want to remind toppling over would suffice to decide the fight here.
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Post by creature386 on May 31, 2013 21:35:24 GMT 5
I really hope the material curently in description will give more hints on the skills of this mysterious carnivore. Me too, without more material, this whole debate is very boring. |
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Post by grizzly on Jun 1, 2013 21:14:30 GMT 5
I agree with Phil Currie. I view Spinosaurus as a huge fish-eater. Fish and other creatures of river banks and shallow water. I view Tyrannosaurus as a predator. I believe that T-rex did indeed scavenge carcasses and usurp carcasses from raptors. But, he also hunted and killed large herbivores. Much like a grizzly except not an omnivore. My nickel is on Tyrannosaurus rex.
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tho I have very little to no interest in giant theropods therefore I don't see my expertise being useful here.
