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Post by rock on Apr 20, 2019 1:04:18 GMT 5
^In case you thought that was in agreement with the 2nd post above, I was talking about size, not strength. At parity, I'd say the lion and tiger are just about equal. at parity yes , generally male tigers are stronger than male lions due to being larger , far outweighing the lion , well not really far but maybe by a few and having a stronger bite force .
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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 20, 2019 1:10:04 GMT 5
^Is that so? I did not know that.
Do you know if the extinct subspecies of lion compare favorably?
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Post by rock on Apr 20, 2019 1:40:16 GMT 5
^Is that so? I did not know that. Do you know if the extinct subspecies of lion compare favorably? yes , the barbary lion , i think the barbary lion would have the slight edge over the siberian tiger , but i say that it can go 50/50
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Apr 20, 2019 8:22:14 GMT 5
Yes rock, you'd be correct. In fact, it's only 6 kg of size difference with the female polar bear at 250 kg and the lion at 256 kg. I may make this later on in the Sympatric section with the European cave lion. still even a female polar bear is considerably larger than a siberian tiger or african lion True an average female polar bear outweighs an average male Siberian tiger and African lion and would win in a fight. As powerful as the Siberian tiger is the American lion being more 'bear-like' in size would give it stronger forearms allowing it to control the fight.
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Post by all on Sept 25, 2019 21:57:46 GMT 5
Siberian tiger would beat African lion. But against American Cave lion. That is a different story.
There are various opinions about American cave lions maximum weight. from as little as 350 kg to as much as over 500 kg. Lets assume it was 351 kg to even make it an actual fight.
So ACL has slight weight advantage although not huge. The bite force of Siberian tiger is impressive 950 lbs per square inch. However American cave lion's bite force is up to 1800 lbs per square inch. Almost 90% more. American cave lion has experience taking down larger prey than Siberian tiger.
Siberian tiger is agile for his size. More agile than American cave lion but the difference is not that large.
the tigers agility is a helpful thing to have and will serve him well. Non the less American cave lion is relatively agile as well and more powerful with much stronger bite.
Overall American cave lion usually wins
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 25, 2019 22:19:06 GMT 5
So ACL has slight weight advantage although not huge. The bite force of Siberian tiger is impressive 950 lbs per square inch. However American cave lion's bite force is up to 1800 lbs per square inch. Almost 90% more. American cave lion has experience taking down larger prey than Siberian tiger. Have you any newton figures? I agree the lion wins this though
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Post by all on Sept 26, 2019 20:28:35 GMT 5
only newton figures I can give you are ones I can convert from pounds with 1800 lbs per square inch that translates to 8006.8 Newtons. Well actually 806.7988 newtons. I read information about 1800 lbs of force somewhere. ( and I'm pretty sure that I remember it correctly ) Now that much force exerted by animal that is only 25% larger than a lion is possible because he has skull broader at zygomatic arch. And according to what I read it is also because the articular angle (Angle of part of the articular process where upper and lower jaw meet. Not where the lower jaws meet upper jaws when jaw closes, but where jaw and rest of the skull are actually joined, at least this is what I think) of the jaw is more acute. As far as the articular angle part don't ask me why it effects the bite force. It obviously has something to do with leverage but exactly what I haven't done physics for a while so I don't know. It is also possible that in addition to those features the skull might be more massive but i don't know if that is so ether. I noticed width of zygomatic bone itself is bigger in American cave lion that it is in African lion. Marsupial Lion has a very powerful bite force for his weight. And he has very wide zygomatic bone so maybe that is it. But once again except for the skull being wider at zygomatic arch and articular angle being more acute I'm not sure what if any other features make American lion's bite force so large.
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