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Post by 6f5e4d on Jan 19, 2020 11:26:33 GMT 5
The catfish will win, being the longer and more aggressive fish than the snakehead.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 15, 2020 1:14:02 GMT 5
More aggressive? Not sure but everything else is true. You need a giant snakehead Catfish of the Wallago genus are one of the few predatory fish I refuse to hand feed as a matter of principle. They are voracious-they take prey much larger than seems feasible (I've seen Wallago take small monitor lizards and attempt to take, albeit unsuccessfully, larger ones). The wallago is considered a Man-eater ( Actually an attribute of Wallago Leeri, which shares the agressiveness of W. Attu) and is greatly feared when encountered in the water. The snakehead is similar to the piranha in terms of consideration by locals-it's a food fish, despite the ferocious teeth and the fearsome reputation built up around it by the western world. A snakehead will run from a person 9/10. I wouldn't have the same reservations about Wallago. THe wallago outmatches the snakehead in terms of weaponry, agression, and speed. Against the Northern Snakehead the wallago stomps. C. Micropeltes is a better match IMHO. All in all this is a horrible argument, agressivness is subjective and there is no proof the catfish is any more attack-happy than the snakehead. What it does lack is speed and bite, the catfish can only swallow prey while snakehead can disembowel fishes as large as itself by biting literal chunks out of them. |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 15, 2020 1:37:28 GMT 5
Catfish of the Wallago genus are one of the few predatory fish I refuse to hand feed as a matter of principle. They are voracious-they take prey much larger than seems feasible (I've seen Wallago take small monitor lizards and attempt to take, albeit unsuccessfully, larger ones). The wallago is considered a Man-eater ( Actually an attribute of Wallago Leeri, which shares the agressiveness of W. Attu) and is greatly feared when encountered in the water. The snakehead is similar to the piranha in terms of consideration by locals-it's a food fish, despite the ferocious teeth and the fearsome reputation built up around it by the western world. A snakehead will run from a person 9/10. I wouldn't have the same reservations about Wallago. THe wallago outmatches the snakehead in terms of weaponry, agression, and speed. Against the Northern Snakehead the wallago stomps. C. Micropeltes is a better match IMHO. People who keep these fish and have worked with them beg to differ. What it does lack is speed and bite, the catfish can only swallow prey while snakehead can disembowel fishes as large as itself by biting literal chunks out of them. No, actually-Wallago has better armament than the Northern Snakehead, as it has hundreds of razor sharp teeth that are recurved so that anything it bites will cut itself up as it tries to escape. The snakehead also goes for smaller prey-there are no real records of Northern Snakehead target prey similar in size to itself. The same cannot be said for Wallago. The Wallago has the larger bite and gape, and as it is an ambush predator will most likely get the jump on its opponent. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 15, 2020 17:41:48 GMT 5
People who keep these fish and have worked with them beg to differ. What it does lack is speed and bite, the catfish can only swallow prey while snakehead can disembowel fishes as large as itself by biting literal chunks out of them. No, actually-Wallago has better armament than the Northern Snakehead, as it has hundreds of razor sharp teeth that are recurved so that anything it bites will cut itself up as it tries to escape. The snakehead also goes for smaller prey-there are no real records of Northern Snakehead target prey similar in size to itself. The same cannot be said for Wallago. The Wallago has the larger bite and gape, and as it is an ambush predator will most likely get the jump on its opponent. except this is a big pile of crap, catfish teeth are not made for cutting, even large catfish species like welsh catfish can only inflict superficial injuries with their bite, and only really tear the skin up. www.snakeheads.org/gallery/micropeltes/cMicropeltesDeadlyBite.htmland do not bring up the "northern/giant snakehead argument"both species are anatomically the same, only difference being in size. so again, do you have any solid evidence to back up your claims or nah? |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 15, 2020 22:34:30 GMT 5
No, actually-Wallago has better armament than the Northern Snakehead, as it has hundreds of razor sharp teeth that are recurved so that anything it bites will cut itself up as it tries to escape. The snakehead also goes for smaller prey-there are no real records of Northern Snakehead target prey similar in size to itself. The same cannot be said for Wallago. The Wallago has the larger bite and gape, and as it is an ambush predator will most likely get the jump on its opponent. except this is a big pile of crap, catfish teeth are not made for cutting, even large catfish species like welsh catfish can only inflict superficial injuries with their bite, and only really tear the skin up.Wallago teeth are extremely sharp, and anything that gets bitten by wallago is going to cut itself up trying to escape because of the hundreds of backwards facing teeth. Nobody can tell me that the teeth below will not cause serious damage to any animal it grabs on to, especially since the animal's struggling will cause it to tear further wounds. I have seen wallago go after monitor lizards (and on occasion succeed!) in asia. The water monitor is many times more dangerous than the snakehead. The wels is not a good comparison to the wallago-its teeth are much, MUCH smaller in proportion.  www.snakeheads.org/gallery/micropeltes/cMicropeltesDeadlyBite.htmlAnd here the northern snakehead is still outclassed. The snakehead just isn't a fighter. Against similarly sized prey the snakehead tends not to attack. >Makes no effort to actually provide hard evidence>Wants me to provide hard evidence without doing so tackle-fish.blogspot.com/2011/06/tapah-wallago-attu.html"These catfish are very agressive" Anecdotes on agressive striking power and attitude opefe.com/wallago.html"The largest individuals can sever a hand or worse" Though it sounds ridiculous, average sized Wels catfish have done the same, so this is actually possible.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 15, 2020 23:07:12 GMT 5
except this is a big pile of crap, catfish teeth are not made for cutting, even large catfish species like welsh catfish can only inflict superficial injuries with their bite, and only really tear the skin up.Wallago teeth are extremely sharp, and anything that gets bitten by wallago is going to cut itself up trying to escape because of the hundreds of backwards facing teeth. Nobody can tell me that the teeth below will not cause serious damage to any animal it grabs on to, especially since the animal's struggling will cause it to tear further wounds. I have seen wallago go after monitor lizards (and on occasion succeed!) in asia. The water monitor is many times more dangerous than the snakehead. The wels is not a good comparison to the wallago-its teeth are much, MUCH smaller in proportion. www.snakeheads.org/gallery/micropeltes/cMicropeltesDeadlyBite.htmlAnd here the northern snakehead is still outclassed. The snakehead just isn't a fighter. Against similarly sized prey the snakehead tends not to attack. >Makes no effort to actually provide hard evidence>Wants me to provide hard evidence without doing so tackle-fish.blogspot.com/2011/06/tapah-wallago-attu.html"These catfish are very agressive" Anecdotes on agressive striking power and attitude opefe.com/wallago.html"The largest individuals can sever a hand or worse" Though it sounds ridiculous, average sized Wels catfish have done the same, so this is actually possible.
haha- no this is not evidence, again, wels and paraiba catfish that can both weight well above 100 pounds cant do anywhere close the damage a snakehead one third of that size can. so provide visual and concrete evidence "hurr durr sharp teeth" is not evidence, its a statement. moreso, hunting anocdotes are not evidence either unless backed up by images. |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 16, 2020 2:23:14 GMT 5
"The largest individuals can sever a hand or worse" Though it sounds ridiculous, average sized Wels catfish have done the same, so this is actually possible.
haha- no this is not evidence, again, wels and paraiba catfish that can both weight well above 100 pounds cant do anywhere close the damage a snakehead one third of that size can. so provide visual and concrete evidence "hurr durr sharp teeth" is not evidence, its a statement. moreso, hunting anocdotes are not evidence either unless backed up by images. Wels and Piraiba have different dentition to both Wallago and Snakeheads and therefore different hunting tactics. More so, they can- mainly because of their great size and crushing jaws. It's a correct statement nonetheless. And? It's evidence enough that the fish has this reputation for a reason. I myself have seen what both animals can do. The Wallago is on another level from the northern snakehead. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 16, 2020 20:00:57 GMT 5
haha- no this is not evidence, again, wels and paraiba catfish that can both weight well above 100 pounds cant do anywhere close the damage a snakehead one third of that size can. so provide visual and concrete evidence "hurr durr sharp teeth" is not evidence, its a statement. moreso, hunting anocdotes are not evidence either unless backed up by images. Wels and Piraiba have different dentition to both Wallago and Snakeheads and therefore different hunting tactics. More so, they can- mainly because of their great size and crushing jaws. It's a correct statement nonetheless. And? It's evidence enough that the fish has this reputation for a reason. I myself have seen what both animals can do. The Wallago is on another level from the northern snakehead. Anecdotes from non reputable sources are not evidence. You are also very dishonest in image posting department, purposfully using an anle that inflates the size of wallagos teeth size. lets use a better angle i.redd.it/fu0cxahsqx8z.jpggreaterancestors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Snakehead_head_1_Em.jpgsnakehead has obviously larger teeth that are suited for SLICING unlike the catfish teeth which are small curved hooks used to keep the prey in place while the catfish swallows it. so again, either show visual evidence of wallago bite or concede |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 17, 2020 3:59:58 GMT 5
Wels and Piraiba have different dentition to both Wallago and Snakeheads and therefore different hunting tactics. More so, they can- mainly because of their great size and crushing jaws. It's a correct statement nonetheless. And? It's evidence enough that the fish has this reputation for a reason. I myself have seen what both animals can do. The Wallago is on another level from the northern snakehead.    /siluriformes/siluridae/wallago/attu/3.jpg)  I guess these are all just "bad angles" too. >using giant snakeheadKek, this is a northern snakehead  Far smaller teeth than what you've posted, and much less lethal than the wallago I won't concede. Don't want to or need to. Anyway: www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hdq1k 37:03 |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 17, 2020 18:19:43 GMT 5
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Post by kekistani on Feb 17, 2020 23:16:06 GMT 5
Literally already posted one. Besides, if anything caught in that mouth struggles it is going to get torn up badly. The Wallago also has the larger mouth. The snakehead is a more prized fish to fish for and is also greaty exaggerated by western media as a "Man-eating superfish", so it makes sense that there would be more pictures of the sort of "damage" a snakehead can do to a baitfish being pulled out of its mouth. Never see a frame where the snakehead is compared to the duck. >Continuously using the giant snakehead, which is more aggressive, larger, has a more powerful bite, and has larger teeth Big kekThe Giant Snakehead and the Northern Snakehead are 2 very different fish, I don't worry about C.argus when I get into the water or handle them. I DO worry about the giant snakehead because of how territorial and defensive (as seen in that video with the pike, there is a pair) they are (though not as much as the Wallago, because they'll bite anything that moves and looks remotely appetizing and they hurt to get off). The 2 really are not interchangeable. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 17, 2020 23:37:03 GMT 5
Literally already posted one. Besides, if anything caught in that mouth struggles it is going to get torn up badly. The Wallago also has the larger mouth. The snakehead is a more prized fish to fish for and is also greaty exaggerated by western media as a "Man-eating superfish", so it makes sense that there would be more pictures of the sort of "damage" a snakehead can do to a baitfish being pulled out of its mouth. Never see a frame where the snakehead is compared to the duck. >Continuously using the giant snakehead, which is more aggressive, larger, has a more powerful bite, and has larger teeth Big kekThe Giant Snakehead and the Northern Snakehead are 2 very different fish, I don't worry about C.argus when I get into the water or handle them. I DO worry about the giant snakehead because of how territorial and defensive (as seen in that video with the pike, there is a pair) they are (though not as much as the Wallago, because they'll bite anything that moves and looks remotely appetizing and they hurt to get off). The 2 really are not interchangeable. you have not posted jack shit and are ignoring evidence. show me a footage of the catfish bite, show me it eating any sort of impressive prey item. the duck and snakehead are visible as **** at the video and the snakehead is not even longer than the guys flip flop, which is 25-27 cm at most. giant and northern snakeheads are anatomically and pound for pound the same animal, even smaller snakehead is willing to attack prey its own size. |
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Post by kekistani on Feb 18, 2020 3:01:49 GMT 5
I have posted footage. Not my fault you ignored it. The wallago is known to eat large prey, they are notorious for having eyes larger than my stomach. Furthermore, you yourself have not shown any Northern Snakehead (or any snakehead for that matter) eating impressive prey. You've shown me corpses of herbivorous baitfish and a pair of Giant snakeheads attacking an already half-dead pike. The duck is not visible in comparison to the snakehead, either, and we don't know if the snakehead saw the duck itself or just the feet. Alright then. Go into a pond of spawning C. Micropeltes expecting it to act like C. argus and see where that gets you. The 2 are anatomically and behaviorally different. The giant snakehead is more aggressive and has different structure. |
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Post by velesoid on Feb 18, 2020 6:07:04 GMT 5
you posted jack shit, besides a 45 minute video with no time stamp on it.
bullshit
to emphasize on the slicing ability of their teeth, to which you are seemingly too retarded to go back and read on. stop strawmanning
*single snakehead
no proof of it being half dead
reaching out of your ass for another strawman?
oh look, more statements backed up by nothing which are irelevant to the thread
citation needed
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Post by kekistani on Feb 18, 2020 6:18:34 GMT 5
Timestamp is right next to the link m8 No need to call your claims that, dude. Slicing ability of the teeth of the giant snakehead, a larger and more powerful species. A pair affects the behavior of the fish The fact that an active mid-topwater predator is sitting on the bottom of the tank with its gills flaring and slowly taking in water is proof enough. NO, just pointing out something relevant to the comparison. Again, stop talking about your own statements like that. As for mine, that's just to point out how dumb it is to think that C. Argus and C. Micropletes are essentially the same fish. They aren't.   The giant snakehead has a larger head in proportion to its body, eyes placed farther back, A bulkier, stouter body, and of course gets larger in general.
As for teeth...
The giant snakehead's teeth are obviously larger and placed in a far more powerful pair of jaws. They're not interchangeable at all.
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