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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 15, 2020 1:30:02 GMT 5
That's what I referred to.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 15, 2020 2:13:50 GMT 5
It wouldn't break the bulls' skull; it's just to protect the buffalo.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 15, 2020 2:31:29 GMT 5
plus the bulls method of killing each other is via goring the torso, the bull is more agile, all it needs to do it outflank the slower bovine.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 15, 2020 2:35:22 GMT 5
Welcome to the forum, velesoid!
I agree, the bull's agility gives it a fair chance here.
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Post by TheLionBoy on Feb 15, 2020 3:58:41 GMT 5
Still I will roll with The Cape
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Post by kekistani on Feb 15, 2020 5:50:03 GMT 5
Still I will roll with The Cape agree, not to the extent as lionboy, but the cape buffalo's agression and sheer size is what gives it the edge
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Post by velesoid on Feb 15, 2020 17:36:34 GMT 5
Still I will roll with The Cape agree, not to the extent as lionboy, but the cape buffalo's agression and sheer size is what gives it the edge you have no actual proof it is more aggressive and size is a disadvantage here, so come again?
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Post by kekistani on Feb 15, 2020 22:42:37 GMT 5
agree, not to the extent as lionboy, but the cape buffalo's agression and sheer size is what gives it the edge you have no actual proof it is more aggressive No, it is not. The buffalo's greater size gives it better ability to shove around the bull. If it is on the defensive it can stand its ground 9as most bovids, especially the cape buffalo, are known to do). The buffalo is widely regarded as the most dangerous (moreso than Elephant, Lion, and the other 2) of the big five. They are extremely territorial and lone bulls tend to attack first and ask questions later The spanish bull is a generally peaceful bovine that becomes agressive when stuck in a ring with a cape waving person wielding a sword. There is no real comparison.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 15, 2020 22:57:24 GMT 5
you have no actual proof it is more aggressive No, it is not. The buffalo's greater size gives it better ability to shove around the bull. If it is on the defensive it can stand its ground 9as most bovids, especially the cape buffalo, are known to do). The buffalo is widely regarded as the most dangerous (moreso than Elephant, Lion, and the other 2) of the big five. They are extremely territorial and lone bulls tend to attack first and ask questions later The spanish bull is a generally peaceful bovine that becomes agressive when stuck in a ring with a cape waving person wielding a sword. There is no real comparison. And this has no real relevance to the debate, being aggressive or not doesnt enhance fighting ability when both animals are willing to fight to death. Spanish bull is also far more athletic and better armed of the two with horns better suited for goring a similar sized bovine And yes, size is an absolute disadvantage here, shoving the bull wont cause any injuries, while the bull can simply flank the buffalo and gore its abdomen The OP is also incorrect, as captive bulls can reach well into 1000 kg range while being a whole lot more flexible and agile than a buffalo, so there is no real or relevant size disparity here
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Post by kekistani on Feb 16, 2020 2:26:01 GMT 5
The buffalo is widely regarded as the most dangerous (moreso than Elephant, Lion, and the other 2) of the big five. They are extremely territorial and lone bulls tend to attack first and ask questions later The spanish bull is a generally peaceful bovine that becomes agressive when stuck in a ring with a cape waving person wielding a sword. There is no real comparison. And this has no real relevance to the debate, being aggressive or not doesnt enhance fighting ability when both animals are willing to fight to death. Spanish bull is also far more athletic and better armed of the two with horns better suited for goring a similar sized bovine And yes, size is an absolute disadvantage here, shoving the bull wont cause any injuries, while the bull can simply flank the buffalo and gore its abdomen The OP is also incorrect, as captive bulls can reach well into 1000 kg range while being a whole lot more flexible and agile than a buffalo, so there is no real or relevant size disparity here The buffalo will be more willing to actually push the distance to end the fight. Shoving the bull may not cause injuries, but it CAN bowl it over-which is where bovines are generally helpless. The OP sets the size in the fight unless the OP specifies otherwise. Averages are generally used unless there are too few specimens (i.e. Giganotosaurus) to get an average. Also, source on bull being more agile and flexible than the bug buf?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 16, 2020 3:20:36 GMT 5
After reconsidering, I think this is around 50/50 or an edge to either. I underestimated the bull's agility and speed, which would be a big help.
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Post by velesoid on Feb 16, 2020 20:08:45 GMT 5
And this has no real relevance to the debate, being aggressive or not doesnt enhance fighting ability when both animals are willing to fight to death. Spanish bull is also far more athletic and better armed of the two with horns better suited for goring a similar sized bovine And yes, size is an absolute disadvantage here, shoving the bull wont cause any injuries, while the bull can simply flank the buffalo and gore its abdomen The OP is also incorrect, as captive bulls can reach well into 1000 kg range while being a whole lot more flexible and agile than a buffalo, so there is no real or relevant size disparity here The buffalo will be more willing to actually push the distance to end the fight. Shoving the bull may not cause injuries, but it CAN bowl it over-which is where bovines are generally helpless. The OP sets the size in the fight unless the OP specifies otherwise. Averages are generally used unless there are too few specimens (i.e. Giganotosaurus) to get an average. Also, source on bull being more agile and flexible than the bug buf? 900 kg is not an AVERAGE for buffalo either and i mean, compare and use your eyes buffalos are slow and lethargic when fighting each other, horribly horn placement plays a role here too www.youtube.com/watch?v=1py3CW0sGEgthe larger buffalo does no damage to obviously smaller one, nothing, cant even flip him over despite being like, 30 percent heavier then compare that to spanish bulls beating the tar out of each other www.nationalgeographic.com.au/videos/animal-fight-club/bull-fight-3243.aspx
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Post by kekistani on Feb 17, 2020 2:15:27 GMT 5
The buffalo will be more willing to actually push the distance to end the fight. Shoving the bull may not cause injuries, but it CAN bowl it over-which is where bovines are generally helpless. The OP sets the size in the fight unless the OP specifies otherwise. Averages are generally used unless there are too few specimens (i.e. Giganotosaurus) to get an average. Also, source on bull being more agile and flexible than the bug buf? 900 kg is not an AVERAGE for buffalo either and i mean, compare and use your eyes How do you know teh larger Buffalow as 30% heavier? Buffalo fighting is mainly shoving and goring, that's why they have that boss on their skulls. It's one of the reasons people though pachycephalosaurs were headbangers. >Cites a video of bulls NOT HURTING EACHOTHER HEADON in response to buffalo doing the sameBig kek
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Post by Ceratodromeus on Feb 17, 2020 2:31:31 GMT 5
Why would you use intraspecific conflict to show that the horns are "horribly placed"? of course they aren't going to gore each other and risk injury to themselves.
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