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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 12, 2020 7:33:45 GMT 5
According to this recent analysis on Baurusuchus pachecoi, it had a relatively weak bite (~578 N), apparently having significantly less jaw strength than modern crocodylians of similar size. However, the authors state that a crocodylian of similar size to this specimen of B. pachecoi was a 1.5 meter long Chinese alligator, citing Erickson et al.'s 2012 crocodylian bite force paper (it, btw, had a bite force of up to 963 N at the caniniform teeth). That paper states that a Chinese alligator of a mean body length of 1.5 meters is 14 kg, which is by no means a particularly massive animal. So I wonder if part of the reason for the shockingly low bite force figure for this Baurusuchus specimen is simply due to it (possibly) being a small animal (though this would change nothing about bite force corrected for size). www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/843334v1.full.pdf
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 15, 2020 20:51:32 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 18, 2020 1:13:00 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 21, 2020 21:02:09 GMT 5
After looking at the Oculudentavis taxonomic controversy, I've been thinking. What are the functional consequences of having pleurodont or acrodont dentition as opposed to thecodont dentition? Only thing I can think of is that thecodont teeth seem more securely attached to the jaw bone, with a root embedded in a deep socket. What advantages, if any, would acrodont or pleurodont teeth have? Just in case people don't know what I'm talking about, here's a visual. Found from here->. EDIT: I've discovered the functional consequences of having pleurodont vs acrodont dentition. Pleurodont teeth have a larger surface area of the tooth in contact with the jawbone compared to acrodont teeth, which creates a stronger attachment. At least in captive lizards with acrodont dentition, the teeth are easily lost (and unreplacable), so owners of such lizards (chameleons and agamids) are advised to be cautious when handling them. lafeber.com/vet/understanding-reptile-dental-anatomy-clinical-applications/I'd still imagine that the thecodont condition provides an even more secure tooth attachment than either, though, since the root is completely surrounded by jawbone. The longer the root, the harder to slip the tooth out of its socket.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 27, 2020 2:52:28 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 3, 2020 2:18:16 GMT 5
I found data regarding jaw biomechanics for Arctotherium angustidens ( Soibelzon et al. 2014; you can download the PDF on Google Scholar). I've provided screen captures from the paper down below. Mandibular force profiles for two specimens, particularly the relative force (Zx/Zy) was 0.83 in one specimen and 1.11 in another at the position of the canine. If I remember correctly (from what Ursus arctos from Carnivora said on the subject), the lower the value, the better the mandible is at taking stress. So these are some rather impressive strengths at the canine. However, bite force and bite force quotient are...surprisingly low. All these bite force estimates were via the dry skull method, so I think it's okay to directly compare these values. Despite rather high bite forces in absolute terms (even at the canine), it doesn't seem to have bitten particularly hard for its size. Absolute bite force at the canine was measured to be >1,000 N (this being a dry skull estimate, the real life value was likely greater), which sounds impressive...until you remember that the giant panda, brown bear, and the polar bear bit even harder, if anything. This is despite the fact that A. angustidens is twice as large as the polar bear, over 2.5 times larger than the brown bear, and over 5 times larger than the giant panda. Granted, the giant panda has a particularly powerful bite for its size, but the brown bear and polar bear evidently do not. So this thing had a mandible that could take far more stress than its bite force could ever reach. The extent of tooth wear seen in Arctotherium's teeth suggest a diet of tough food items like dried meat, bones, or rough plant material. I'm not entirely sure why Arctotherium had such physically strong jaws but a relatively weak bite. I think the authors of this paper make more of a deal out of the absolute bite force than they should IMO (considering how it compares relatively speaking), but they do mention the hunting methods of the modern spectacled bear (the only living member of the Tremarctinae) against large prey. This bear ambushes the prey, immobilizes it with the forelimbs, and eats it alive by starting at the back; the prey dies from shock and stress. Alternatively, the bear chases the prey item through rough terrain, hillsides, or precipices, prompting it to fall possibly to its death. The authors suggest that giant short-faced bears like Arctotherium could have used the same strategies. Intuitively, I would guess that's possible; eating prey alive after immobilization might not need a relatively strong bite (although, T. ornatus has a vastly superior BFQ than A. angustidens, especially at the canines), and provoking it to fall to its death certainly doesn't.
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Post by 6f5e4d on May 3, 2020 23:47:14 GMT 5
Interesting theory, maybe this could be how short-faced bears in general hunted.
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 12, 2020 0:39:14 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 12, 2020 17:07:43 GMT 5
This is mostly a paper about detecting sexual dimorphism, but it makes comments regarding the relative snout length and width of large male gharials, as well as relative tooth size. peerj.com/articles/9134/#supp-1
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Post by Ceratodromeus on May 13, 2020 0:49:59 GMT 5
According to this recent analysis on Baurusuchus pachecoi, it had a relatively weak bite (~578 N), apparently having significantly less jaw strength than modern crocodylians of similar size. However, the authors state that a crocodylian of similar size to this specimen of B. pachecoi was a 1.5 meter long Chinese alligator, citing Erickson et al.'s 2012 crocodylian bite force paper (it, btw, had a bite force of up to 963 N at the caniniform teeth). That paper states that a Chinese alligator of a mean body length of 1.5 meters is 14 kg, which is by no means a particularly massive animal. So I wonder if part of the reason for the shockingly low bite force figure for this Baurusuchus specimen is simply due to it (possibly) being a small animal (though this would change nothing about bite force corrected for size). www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/843334v1.full.pdfSince they specifically mention the size of the chinese alligator, I'm rather curious as to why they omitted a few species in their comparison here. The freshwater crocodile, yacare caiman, and dwarf caimans all have rather comparable body sizes in the sample groups. The Yacare caiman (C.yacare) sample was only ~4kg heavier than the chinese alligator group, and the spectacled caiman (C.crocodilus) sample group was only ~6kg heavier. Paleosuchus palpebrosus was very similar in body mass to the mean Chinese alligator BMB (-1kg), and the Trigonatus sample was a good deal (~8kg) heavier. The freshwater crocodile ( C.johnstoni) group had a mean body mass ~6kg heavier than the chinese alligator. I know that it is a slender snouted species and not really known for a bite force of impressive dimensions, but this is merely to emphasis the size demographic. Below is a screenshot of Erickson's results with the above species highlighted to show an emphasis. Since their is a specific emphasis in Caniform bite force, i've highlighted that column as well. I'm not exactly sure how big B.pachecoi is, but i think including multiple species in the comparison, and not just singularly the chinese alligator, gives a broader and probably better idea about comparisons with smaller crocodilians. This all being said, i think the conclusion on feeding ecology they made is perfectly reasonable.
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 13, 2020 2:58:00 GMT 5
Interesting. I definitely agree that multiple species for comparison is better; now I suppose that the only thing that needs to be worked out is exactly how big B. pachecoi is.
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 28, 2020 20:36:00 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jun 12, 2020 7:40:04 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Aug 9, 2020 18:07:43 GMT 5
The evolution of the elephantid jaw from a gomphothere-like condition (with an elongate mandibular symphysis and lower tusks) to the condition we're more familiar with today. Cenozoic Mammals of Africa->
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Post by Infinity Blade on Aug 19, 2020 0:42:59 GMT 5
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