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Post by theropod on Apr 14, 2019 3:37:56 GMT 5
No, it's far too small with not enough stamina. It would be 400 kg of wolf vs 95 kg of jaguar, and that is a real weight mismatch. How would it even kill them all before being killed in the 1st place? a jaguar far too small? thats a joke right? perhaps this size comparison will change your mind , as you can see a male jaguar is about the same size as a bengal tiger or a african lion View AttachmentPlease be aware: a size comparison without sources of measurements, without methodology, without even a scalebar, is not evidence. Male jaguars as of my knowledge (admittedly limited to just a few graduate courses on mammal biodiversity and evolution and a quick reading of the relevant review articles) are nowhere near the size of bengal tigers. Perhaps a large male jaguar can rival or exceed the size of some female tigers, but that’s it. This thread title doesn’t even specify male jaguar though. |
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Post by malikc6 on Apr 14, 2019 4:10:43 GMT 5
The wolves win this if they press. No doubt that the jaguar will cause some serious harm to at least 1 of them, but the wolves have strength in numbers, coordination, and stamina. If this however wasn't a fight to the finish and the wolves didn't feel it was worth it to eliminate a rival predator, the jaguar may simply chase them away.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 14, 2019 5:08:49 GMT 5
It must be a joke, or with a scaled down tiger.
The largest subspecies of jaguar is 95 kg. Nowhere near big enough to beat 8 wolves
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theropod, thank you for pointing that out
malick6, you’ve made an analogy that’s more or less perfect
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Post by rock on Apr 15, 2019 2:42:14 GMT 5
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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 15, 2019 4:02:28 GMT 5
Have you changed your mind about the jaguar beating 8 wolves?
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Post by rock on Apr 15, 2019 5:03:17 GMT 5
Have you changed your mind about the jaguar beating 8 wolves? yeah |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 15, 2019 6:20:08 GMT 5
Good to know.
Who'd you favor if it was 3?
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Post by rock on Apr 15, 2019 15:07:02 GMT 5
Good to know. Who'd you favor if it was 3? if it was 3 i would favor the jaguar |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 15, 2019 20:37:23 GMT 5
What would be your reasoning? I myself have doubts that the jaguar could take out all 3 either while they were attacking it or before it was to run out of stamina
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Post by rock on Apr 15, 2019 23:52:02 GMT 5
What would be your reasoning? I myself have doubts that the jaguar could take out all 3 either while they were attacking it or before it was to run out of stamina i do not know if it can take them out at the same time , but it may be able to scare them off |
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Post by theropod on Apr 16, 2019 1:14:52 GMT 5
I think the two of you are still not talking about the same scenario.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 16, 2019 2:14:07 GMT 5
What would be your reasoning? I myself have doubts that the jaguar could take out all 3 either while they were attacking it or before it was to run out of stamina i do not know if it can take them out at the same time , but it may be able to scare them off theropod is correct, we are not talking about the same scenario. This one's a fight to the death; who'd you favor then? |
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Post by theropod on Apr 16, 2019 3:08:10 GMT 5
Note that I’m not at all suggesting either scenario is more "correct" than the other. That fights to the death are generally assumed is more convention than necessity. Actually, which predator would be able to scare the other off is probably the ecologically more relevant question.
Even a small group of wolves could probably deterr a Jaguar though.
To the solitary yet hypercarnivorous cat, even a relatively harmless injury incurred in such a confrontation may mean death by starvation as it absolutely relies on hunting success by speed and stealth. A social predator like a wolf could afford to take a much more aggressive stance in such a confrontation, since even if it got injured, it would stand far better chances of survival due to the pack.
Granted, Jaguars are pretty aggressive in interspecific encounters as far as cats go, but the large predators they deal with are caimans and anacondas, both of which are also solitary and over which it enjoys a fairly decisive mobility advantage, greatly reducing the risk of injury as opposed to being faced with a whole group of wolves.
There is probably little chance a Jaguar wouldn’t get injured in a serious confrontation with several wolves, so that makes it unlikely it would press the encounter.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 16, 2019 3:15:42 GMT 5
^Good point theropod. I'd say 2 wolves could likely deter a jaguar and 3 to 4 could beat one.
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Post by rock on Apr 16, 2019 16:41:24 GMT 5
^Good point theropod. I'd say 2 wolves could likely deter a jaguar and 3 to 4 could beat one. i respectfully disagree |
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