Jaguar vs Green Anaconda

[Fragillimus335]

An anaconda of any size will have a very hard time taking on a male Jaguar. Jag 85% as demonstrated in the wild.

[Venomous Dragon]

Aug 9, 2013 7:14:23 GMT 5 Fragillimus335 said:

An anaconda of any size will have a very hard time taking on a male Jaguar. Jag 85% as demonstrated in the wild.

Feel free to prove this "wild demonstration"

[Fragillimus335]

Aug 9, 2013 7:28:49 GMT 5 Venomous Dragon said:

Aug 9, 2013 7:14:23 GMT 5 Fragillimus335 said:

An anaconda of any size will have a very hard time taking on a male Jaguar. Jag 85% as demonstrated in the wild.

Feel free to prove this "wild demonstration"

Show me a video of an anaconda killing a jag, I can quickly find half a dozen when the outcome is reversed.

[Venomous Dragon]

Aug 9, 2013 7:39:38 GMT 5 Fragillimus335 said:

Aug 9, 2013 7:28:49 GMT 5 Venomous Dragon said:

Feel free to prove this "wild demonstration"

Show me a video of an anaconda killing a jag, I can quickly find half a dozen when the outcome is reversed.

if it is so easy go for it, find half a dozen videos of a jaguar killing an andaconda in a none forced encounter.
You made the claim the burden of proof lies apon you. Back up what you said.

[Supercommunist]

I can't really picture a scenario where an adult tom Jaguar loses to the Anaconda face to face, these large constrictors are a bit over matched against big Cats & even Honey Badgers (their are more then a couple of accounts showing a Honey Badger killing a massive Python) & even an account where a Leopardess killed a really big Python:

At Chitabe, en route to camp from the airfield we saw a female leopard feeding on a huge python of well over five metres. After three days the leopard abandoned the now rotting carcass. On inspecting the python's skull we found distinct bite marks answering our question of the leopard had indeed killed the python herself. Just goes to show that they are indeed opportunistic predators. The following morning, whilst watching two male lion, we were called by another safari vehicle for a sighting of mating leopards.
www.eyesonafrica.net/updates/2011/upd_mar11-1.htm

Seeing as Pythons are a bit more quick then Anacondas on land & seeing how the Leopardess (which isn't nearly as robust or strong jawed as a Jaguar) employed the "skull bite" tactic to the fragile skull of the serpent, I pity the Anaconda.

221 Extra, I would like to point out that despite the impressive lengths that pythons can reach, pythons seem to be far lighter than anacondas at similar lengths.

According to a well documented case, a record breaking nineteen foot long python weighed only one hundred twenty eight pounds.

articles.latimes.com/2013/may/21/science/la-sci-sn-nearly-python-captured-in-everglades-20130520

Since the python in the account involving the leopard probably was significantly smaller than the python caught in Florida there is the possibility that leopardess probably weighed around the same weight as the snake. Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe that a large anaconda female would outweigh a large male jaguar, and that a fight between them would be closer than you would perceive it as.

Due note that as far as a fight on land is concerned, I believe that the jaguar would dominate the fight.

In regards to the honey badger accounts, I don't think they hold too much weight as those accounts aren't exactly common and when they do occur they seem to the involve lethargic snakes that aren't intent on fighting back.

[221extra]

I'm well aware that Pythons aren't nearly as bulky as Anacondas, but that doesn't change the fact that they (the African Rock Python) can get quite big even when compared to Leopard:

www.sareptiles.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12136
www.rangerdiaries.com/index.php?id=40&diaryID=669
("The leopard dragged it a ways through the grass and started feeding off it. A while later it pulled the snake into a Marula tree where you could actually see the enormity of the serpent's body.")
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJai4To9wj4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H269kie2028
www.sabisabi.com/blog/2803/nottins-female-kills-an-immense-colossal-african-rock-python/

It can be seen from the picture with the account I posted earlier that the Python killed was quite big as can be seen by looking at the head of the Leopardess in comparison to the body of the Snake.

The Python in your link BTW was mentioned to be a Burmese Python & African Rock Pythons are larger, with their average weight only being slightly smaller then the largest Burmese Python "found in Everglades".

"As adults, African rock pythons average 44 to 55 kg in weight, with reports of some reaching well over 91 kg (200 lbs). (Branch, 1998; McCurley, 2003; Spawls and Branch, 1995; Spawls, et al., 2002)"

Bulk isn't everything from what I've seen & heard, Pythons are faster then Anacondas in both striking speed & in general movement, not being as sluggish the Boa on land, making them more capable of defending themselves against an agile opponent such as a felid (but even that doesn't make up for the Snakes ineptitude of fighting.). As for your assertion of a large female Anaconda being larger then a large male Jaguar, I don't know many a time these serpent's weights & length are exaggerated & are far less actually documented, so it's difficult to say as large male Jaguar have been documented at over 300 plus lbs.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYUGIYdsZC8

But even if the Snake is larger by a good amount, lets say 550lbs vs 350lbs the only thing that size would be beneficiary for the Snake in the fight would be intimidation as Anacondas are already sluggish on land as it is, add that extra weight & your just handicapping it even more, against such a deadly opponent that utilizes strength, speed & agility, so damn well.

[Supercommunist]

I'm well aware that Pythons aren't nearly as bulky as Anacondas, but that doesn't change the fact that they (the African Rock Python) can get quite big even when compared to Leopard:

Yes, I don't deny that on land a constrictor are, with the exception of the cheetah, no match for big cats at similar weights.

The Python in your link BTW was mentioned to be a Burmese Python & African Rock Pythons are larger, with their average weight only being slightly smaller then the largest Burmese Python "found in Everglades".

While that may be true, I don't think that a large rock fifteen foot long python would be as heavy as the record breaking, nineteen foot long burmese python.

For example, saltwater crocodiles may be larger than nile crocodiles on average, but a massive specimen of nile crocodile like the infamous Gustave is probably larger than a regular sized saltwater crocodile.

Bulk isn't everything from what I've seen & heard, Pythons are faster then Anacondas in both striking speed & in general movement, not being as sluggish the Boa on land, making them more capable of defending themselves against an agile opponent such as a felid (but even that doesn't make up for the Snakes ineptitude of fighting.)

I personally believe that a larger more durable snake would be a more difficult opponent for a cat, then a thinner faster one. But, yes I agree on land the jaguar would win almost nearly every fight against an anaconda, I just don't believe it would be a walk in the park.

By the way, this may be semi-relevant:

books.google.com/books?id=iYlPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA113&lpg=PA113&dq=python+swallows+leopard+1907&source=bl&ots=S5_6mHp-5m&sig=1WpHVmFDw8YXZ9PvXbAaRZ7vqsM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pIjPUaXhL9S34AOVuIAw&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=python%20swallows%20leopard%201907&f=false

The leopard was relatively small and almost certainly taken on via ambush, but I think its an impressive account, nonetheless.

[221extra]

I'll get back to you on this topic; soon.

[Ceratodromeus]

Here is a passage from the book Tales of giant snakes on interactions between jaguars and the green anaconda

[jhg]

Animal Face off got owned. Panthera onca outmaneuvers the Eudectes murinus and bites it on the head-game over.

[Deleted]

WHat is animal face?

[creature386]

It's clear that he meant Animal Face-Off.

[dinosauria101]

I'll give this to the anaconda. It's much bigger and stronger and I see it overpowering and strangling the jaguar.