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Post by dinosauria101 on Mar 12, 2019 16:33:08 GMT 5
A 220 kg grizzly bear runs the gauntlet. How far do they get?  Round 1: 2 eastern gorilla silverbacks, 195 kg each  Round 2: 6 African wild dogs, 22 kg each  Round 3: 3 spotted hyenas, 60 kg each  Round 4: 4 wolves, 50 kg each  Round 5: 1 African lion, 190 kg  Round 6: 1 Bengal tiger, 210 kg  Round 7: 2 lionesses, 110 kg each  Round 8: 1 Nile crocodile, 527 kg  |
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Post by rock on May 8, 2019 16:13:26 GMT 5
the bear would destroy the lion , tiger , hyenas , wolves , wild dogs and lioness and would beat the nile crocodile in a good fight.
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 8, 2019 16:39:03 GMT 5
^I disagree. How do you think the bear (a mauler) would kill the (very durable) crocodile before the bear itself gets killed?
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Post by rock on May 8, 2019 16:51:33 GMT 5
^I disagree. How do you think the bear (a mauler) would kill the (very durable) crocodile before the bear itself gets killed? assumimg this fight takes place on land , the grizzly bear would win , he would use his sharp claws to tear through the crocodiles tough scaly skin and beat him that way , unless the crocodile gets good bite or does the death roll , but grizzly bears already fight american gators which are somewhat smaller than nile crocs . and they almost always win |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 8, 2019 20:47:19 GMT 5
^I disagree. How do you think the bear (a mauler) would kill the (very durable) crocodile before the bear itself gets killed? assumimg this fight takes place on land , the grizzly bear would win , he would use his sharp claws to tear through the crocodiles tough scaly skin and beat him that way , unless the crocodile gets good bite or does the death roll , but grizzly bears already fight american gators which are somewhat smaller than nile crocs . and they almost always win 1: Crocodiles are very, VERY durable. I'll post accounts when I have access. They can survive losing limbs, parts of their jaws, and can live and thrive with spears stuck in them. They can also close off their veins to stop bleeding. 2: A bear's mauling style is very ineffective against the sheer durability of the crocodile, and would not work in time before the bear's killed 3: Nile crocodiles can be rather comfortable on land, and in this case, it would be very easy to get several good bites 4: That's American alligators. 5: Take note of the size advantage - 220 kg bear vs 527 kg croc |
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Post by rock on May 8, 2019 21:47:15 GMT 5
assumimg this fight takes place on land , the grizzly bear would win , he would use his sharp claws to tear through the crocodiles tough scaly skin and beat him that way , unless the crocodile gets good bite or does the death roll , but grizzly bears already fight american gators which are somewhat smaller than nile crocs . and they almost always win 1: Crocodiles are very, VERY durable. I'll post accounts when I have access. They can survive losing limbs, parts of their jaws, and can live and thrive with spears stuck in them. They can also close off their veins to stop bleeding. 2: A bear's mauling style is very ineffective against the sheer durability of the crocodile, and would not work in time before the bear's killed 3: Nile crocodiles can be rather comfortable on land, and in this case, it would be very easy to get several good bites 4: That's American alligators. 5: Take note of the size advantage - 220 kg bear vs 527 kg croc bears are also very durable and have a thick fur coat ,plus i have reports of smaller animals preying on nile crocodiles www.earthtouchnews.com/natural-world/predator-vs-prey/nile-crocodile-ends-up-on-a-leopards-menu-in-zambia/as you can see a leopard weighs a lot less than a grizzly bear and they can prey on crocodiles , i am not saying i think a leopard would beat a nile crocodile , all i am saying is if a leopard can possibly do it a grizzly bear can probobly do it www.sunsafaris.com/blog/2014/11/kruger-lion/here is another one , a african male lion hunts a crocodile who is double times his own weight |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 3:16:51 GMT 5
1: Leopards and lions have far more experience with crocodiles than grizzlies do, and despite the crocodile not having any either, the nature of the 2 animals is in favor of the latter 2: Bears are durable, but they're severely outclassed. Here are some of those accounts:  Arrow attack on crocodile RANGERS are searching the Proserpine River for an injured 3.5metre crocodile, which was shot with an arrow last week. Department of Environment and Heritage Protection (DEHP) director of wildlife management Rebecca Williams said the attack was believed to have happened sometime between Monday, May 13 and Wednesday, May 15. On Wednesday morning the crocodile was seen by Whitsunday Crocodile Safari owner Steve Watson, who noticed the arrow embedded in its back and alerted the DEHP. Ms Williams said the crocodile seemed to be moving normally in and out of the water but the arrow appeared to be firmly embedded and was likely to be causing severe pain. She said the priority was to capture the crocodile so it could be assessed. "The arrow will be recovered and will assist in investigations," she said. A second arrow, which appears to match the one seen in the crocodile, was found upstream. The arrow is a Redzone Camouflage carbon 50/70 with straight plastic fletchings (two yellow and one solid white) and fitted with a two-bladed broadhead tip. Ms Williams urged anyone with information about the incident to come forward and said it was important to remember that crocodiles were protected animals and penalties for harming them applied. Any sighting of the crocodile should be reported to the Department of Environment and Heritage Protection on 1300 130 372. Anyone with information that may assist with the investigation is encouraged to contact Crimestoppers on 1800 333 000. www.whitsundaytimes.com.au/news/...e/1878080/  The Rescue of “Jaws” Sunday night Ms. Shirley, just south of DFC, called ACES that a large croc that was residing under her front steps was back. ACES team raced to the location and within minutes Vince Rose, ACES Animal Behaviorist, snared the six-foot reptile. Amazingly enough, the croc was fairly healthy despite its severely broken lower jaw. The injury appears to be several years old and very possibly inflicted by man. Other than being slightly underweight, and having a hungry, growling tummy, the croc was extremely feisty and compensated for the injured jaw with an extra strong tail. The crocodile had become problematic the usual way, being fed by humans. [Image: ACES-Jaws-300x225.jpg] After careful inspection, the team decided it was best to leave the jaw as is rather than trying to fix it. The injury is completely healed with no signs of infection; and although when the animal bites down its top teeth penetrate the lower jaw, the teeth have worn perfect channels and the croc is not hurting itself. To fix it would mean dangerously putting the animal under anesthesia and setting it with pins. The fact is the croc would have a hard time recovering. Because of its bite force it would most likely have an extremely difficult time healing without re-fracturing the corrective process. “Jaws” now needs a home. First, it is a problematic crocodile and even with its injury it is still very capable of inflicting harm to someone. Secondly, if re-released Jaws would most likely, sooner or later, be killed by a larger croc or human because of its injury. Therefore ACES is very excited at the opportunity to open a much needed crocodile sanctuary here on the island. Not only would it provide a home for injured crocodiles, such as Jaws, but ACES would be able to treat ill crocs for re-release; house problematic crocs here on the island or at least hold them until they can be transported to the main facility in Ladyville; and provide shelter for young crocs that are living in high residential and development areas. The Sanctuary would not only be an excellent tourist attraction, for self-sustainability, but would be an educational institution for locals on crocodilians, mangrove habitats, and croc conservation. While the location is still being determined, anyone wishing to help can donate in numerous ways: in-kind donations of fencing, form boards, concrete and rebar are needed for securing a natural habitat for the crocs; labor will be needed for the construction of the facility; a small building for visitor information and hands on displays would eventually be needed and constructed; and donations are always appreciated either directly to ACES at Belize Bank Acct # 630-2-2-21-5255, or through ACES 501©(3) USA partner ‘The Belize Economic & Ecological Development Fund’ for secure, online, tax-deductible donations. The crocs’ future and the safety of others depend on you! www.sanpedrosun.com/environment/...s-part-iv/  www.rickubis.com/rick/gatr3b.htmlYes, all of these crocodiles survived. Also bear in mind the crocodile is almost 2.5 times bigger, thus making it even more durable 3: Crocodilians do not generally show their full potential on land, as they are almost always trying to get back to water. That is why all those accounts exist; the crocodiles were nowhere close to giving their best efforts All that being said, large debates are tiring for me, so let's drag this on to keep exhaustion to |
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 3:37:39 GMT 5
1: Leopards and lions have far more experience with crocodiles than grizzlies do, and despite the crocodile not having any either, the nature of the 2 animals is in favor of the latter 2: Bears are durable, but they're severely outclassed. Here are some of those accounts: Arrow attack on crocodile RANGERS are searching the Proserpine River for an injured 3.5metre crocodile, which was shot with an arrow last week. Department of Environment and Heritage Protection (DEHP) director of wildlife management Rebecca Williams said the attack was believed to have happened sometime between Monday, May 13 and Wednesday, May 15. On Wednesday morning the crocodile was seen by Whitsunday Crocodile Safari owner Steve Watson, who noticed the arrow embedded in its back and alerted the DEHP. Ms Williams said the crocodile seemed to be moving normally in and out of the water but the arrow appeared to be firmly embedded and was likely to be causing severe pain. She said the priority was to capture the crocodile so it could be assessed. "The arrow will be recovered and will assist in investigations," she said. A second arrow, which appears to match the one seen in the crocodile, was found upstream. The arrow is a Redzone Camouflage carbon 50/70 with straight plastic fletchings (two yellow and one solid white) and fitted with a two-bladed broadhead tip. Ms Williams urged anyone with information about the incident to come forward and said it was important to remember that crocodiles were protected animals and penalties for harming them applied. Any sighting of the crocodile should be reported to the Department of Environment and Heritage Protection on 1300 130 372. Anyone with information that may assist with the investigation is encouraged to contact Crimestoppers on 1800 333 000. www.whitsundaytimes.com.au/news/...e/1878080/The Rescue of “Jaws” Sunday night Ms. Shirley, just south of DFC, called ACES that a large croc that was residing under her front steps was back. ACES team raced to the location and within minutes Vince Rose, ACES Animal Behaviorist, snared the six-foot reptile. Amazingly enough, the croc was fairly healthy despite its severely broken lower jaw. The injury appears to be several years old and very possibly inflicted by man. Other than being slightly underweight, and having a hungry, growling tummy, the croc was extremely feisty and compensated for the injured jaw with an extra strong tail. The crocodile had become problematic the usual way, being fed by humans. [Image: ACES-Jaws-300x225.jpg] After careful inspection, the team decided it was best to leave the jaw as is rather than trying to fix it. The injury is completely healed with no signs of infection; and although when the animal bites down its top teeth penetrate the lower jaw, the teeth have worn perfect channels and the croc is not hurting itself. To fix it would mean dangerously putting the animal under anesthesia and setting it with pins. The fact is the croc would have a hard time recovering. Because of its bite force it would most likely have an extremely difficult time healing without re-fracturing the corrective process. “Jaws” now needs a home. First, it is a problematic crocodile and even with its injury it is still very capable of inflicting harm to someone. Secondly, if re-released Jaws would most likely, sooner or later, be killed by a larger croc or human because of its injury. Therefore ACES is very excited at the opportunity to open a much needed crocodile sanctuary here on the island. Not only would it provide a home for injured crocodiles, such as Jaws, but ACES would be able to treat ill crocs for re-release; house problematic crocs here on the island or at least hold them until they can be transported to the main facility in Ladyville; and provide shelter for young crocs that are living in high residential and development areas. The Sanctuary would not only be an excellent tourist attraction, for self-sustainability, but would be an educational institution for locals on crocodilians, mangrove habitats, and croc conservation. While the location is still being determined, anyone wishing to help can donate in numerous ways: in-kind donations of fencing, form boards, concrete and rebar are needed for securing a natural habitat for the crocs; labor will be needed for the construction of the facility; a small building for visitor information and hands on displays would eventually be needed and constructed; and donations are always appreciated either directly to ACES at Belize Bank Acct # 630-2-2-21-5255, or through ACES 501©(3) USA partner ‘The Belize Economic & Ecological Development Fund’ for secure, online, tax-deductible donations. The crocs’ future and the safety of others depend on you! www.sanpedrosun.com/environment/...s-part-iv/www.rickubis.com/rick/gatr3b.htmlYes, all of these crocodiles survived. Also bear in mind the crocodile is almost 2.5 times bigger, thus making it even more durable 3: Crocodilians do not generally show their full potential on land, as they are almost always trying to get back to water. That is why all those accounts exist; the crocodiles were nowhere close to giving their best efforts All that being said, large debates are tiring for me, so let's drag this on to keep exhaustion to bigger in mass but not bigger in size . anyways check out this bear after being mauled by a bison  ![]() bear after spikes being fliked at it by a porkepine ![]()  bear survives gunshot www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj7Z5oMWuIUbear survives being stabbed by a knife  |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 3:52:17 GMT 5
How not in size?
And anyway, that still pales in relative terms to what the crocodiles endured, so that takes effect with the crocodile's weight advantage.
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 3:55:16 GMT 5
How not in size? And anyway, that still pales in relative terms to what the crocodiles endured, so that takes effect with the crocodile's weight advantage. i dont know how much the crocodile will be able to bite through the bears tough fur coat on land anyways . we still have to said if the fight is on land or in water , in water i back the croc hands down , on land i back the grizzly bear 9/10 |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 3:56:56 GMT 5
No offense rock, but you still haven't posted anything from the bear that'd directly counter the croc's advantages. I stand by my point of the bear stopping hands down at the croc.
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 4:01:25 GMT 5
No offense rock, but you still haven't posted anything from the bear that'd directly counter the croc's advantages. I stand by my point of the bear stopping hands down at the croc. sharp claws , size advnatage , experince with crocodilians , superior lifing power [remember bears lift cars that can weigh up to 3,000 lbs] and more intellegent . in the bears home turf he wins due to these advantages. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 4:04:42 GMT 5
1: Those claws, while no joke at all, aren't quite enough to kill the croc before vice versa
2: Incorrect, the crocodile is in fact almost 2.5 times bigger
3: No, grizzly bears lack experience with crocodilians. You're thinking of American black bears
4: Irrelevant, the bear will not try to use lifting against the crocodile. It will try to maul it, and that would be its downfall
5: Irrelevant, the difference in intelligence is very minimal and would need to be much, much, MUCH bigger to have any impact at all.
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 4:10:37 GMT 5
1: Those claws, while no joke at all, aren't quite enough to kill the croc before vice versa 2: Incorrect, the crocodile is in fact almost 2.5 times bigger 3: No, grizzly bears lack experience with crocodilians. You're thinking of American black bears 4: Irrelevant, the bear will not try to use lifting against the crocodile. It will try to maul it, and that would be its downfall 5: Irrelevant, the difference in intelligence is very minimal and would need to be much, much, MUCH bigger to have any impact at all. are you sure the crocodile is bigger? i could not find a size comparison but here is a smaller african lion vs a crocodile in size  bigger is not the word to use here . if you mean in mass you are correct. its claws can kill a moose so i would not say it is too far fetched to beleive it can kill a crocodile also lifting power does matter as the bear would be strong enough to knock the crocodile to his back and tear out his stomach. also intellegence does matter in some cases as the bear would be smart enough to out smart the crocodile. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 4:13:57 GMT 5
1: Nile crocodiles average 5 meters and 527 kg. If you mean in length, the crocodile is bigger AND weighs more, too
2: No, the crocodile is too durable. Besides, are there any accounts of grizzly bears clawing moose to death?
3: The bear isn't going to know to do that. Its primary instinct will be to try and maul the croc, a bad idea
4: No, the gap isn't large enough for it to matter
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