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Post by Infinity Blade on Dec 19, 2019 17:31:43 GMT 5
Well, at least from what I imagine weights to be like, I certainly think two cave lions would be able to get the job done. I feel like two African lions would ease the load on the bear.
It depends. Does anyone want to argue for the cave bear against two cave lions? Or does anyone want to argue for two African lions against the cave bear?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 19, 2019 17:45:00 GMT 5
I think it's a fair fight; AFAIK 2 lions weigh about the same as the bear.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Dec 19, 2019 17:55:21 GMT 5
I will leave it to you guys to decide and create the thread.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 19, 2019 18:00:20 GMT 5
I shall do it today for the 'Sympatric' matchup!
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Post by smedz on Jan 1, 2020 23:10:52 GMT 5
I got an idea.
Thylacoleo vs Thylacosmilus, the Marsupial Lion vs the Marsupial Sabertooth!
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jan 2, 2020 3:42:33 GMT 5
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jan 2, 2020 10:33:04 GMT 5
Triceratops vs (5)Long horned bisons.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 3, 2020 3:35:51 GMT 5
DonaldCengXiongAzumaUnfortunately, that's probably a mismatch. Blaze had said somewhere that the long horned bison was only about wood-bison size, and most of Wiki's citations for it also give a mass of around or slightly higher than 1 tonne. Doesn't just apply to your suggestion, but this probably means a lot of our matchups with it are less even than intended. Anyhow, another question on a similar note for anyone who's willing to answer: Anyone think a herd of a few Triceratops vs a megasauropod (e.g Argentinosaurus, Patagotitan, etc) might be a good matchup? We have some evidence of Triceratops living in herds and I think it might be an interesting twist on the usual one-on-one matches of that sort.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jan 3, 2020 5:06:26 GMT 5
Do we have evidence that any of these large herbivores will cooperatively fight another large animal à la pack hunting predators? I'm not a huge fan of these multiple herbivores versus larger animal matchups, as I assume they wouldn't realistically do this.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jan 3, 2020 5:22:32 GMT 5
How about Inland grizzly bear vs Ussuri brown bear?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 3, 2020 6:06:19 GMT 5
Do we have evidence that any of these large herbivores will cooperatively fight another large animal à la pack hunting predators? I'm not a huge fan of these multiple herbivores versus larger animal matchups, as I assume they wouldn't realistically do this. AFAIK, yes. Pods of hippos attack things by mobbing them, and Cape buffalo have been known to attack lions as a herd. Not to mention, Triceratops may have had an omnivorous and fairly suid-like lifestyle; suids such as peccaries are known in general to mob other animals when attacking them and if Triceratops was similar in terms of overall lifestyle I could easily see a few of them mobbing, say, a Tyrannosaurus, Ankylosaurus, etc. If no one likes the idea of a Triceratops herd against a megasauropod, I won't make that matchup. Just saying, it may be more plausible than it seems. DonaldCengXiongAzuma, go right ahead! |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jan 3, 2020 7:51:59 GMT 5
Do we have evidence that any of these large herbivores will cooperatively fight another large animal à la pack hunting predators? I'm not a huge fan of these multiple herbivores versus larger animal matchups, as I assume they wouldn't realistically do this. AFAIK, yes. Pods of hippos attack things by mobbing them, and Cape buffalo have been known to attack lions as a herd. Not to mention, Triceratops may have had an omnivorous and fairly suid-like lifestyle; suids such as peccaries are known in general to mob other animals when attacking them and if Triceratops was similar in terms of overall lifestyle I could easily see a few of them mobbing, say, a Tyrannosaurus, Ankylosaurus, etc. If no one likes the idea of a Triceratops herd against a megasauropod, I won't make that matchup. Just saying, it may be more plausible than it seems. Mobbing? Sounds to me like they aren't as cooperative as pack-hunting predators. Also, the prospect of omnivorous ceratopsians, even if it's plausible (as far as I know), is still speculative. I'm not only not aware of any fossil remains suggesting the consumption of animal matter by ceratopsians (let alone that this actually composed a notable portion of their diet), but I'm also not aware of any isotopic analysis that would either confirm or refute the notion either. |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jan 3, 2020 10:43:20 GMT 5
DonaldCengXiongAzuma Unfortunately, that's probably a mismatch. Blaze had said somewhere that the long horned bison was only about wood-bison size, and most of Wiki's citations for it also give a mass of around or slightly higher than 1 tonne. Doesn't just apply to your suggestion, but this probably means a lot of our matchups with it are less even than intended. Anyhow, another question on a similar note for anyone who's willing to answer: Anyone think a herd of a few Triceratops vs a megasauropod (e.g Argentinosaurus, Patagotitan, etc) might be a good matchup? We have some evidence of Triceratops living in herds and I think it might be an interesting twist on the usual one-on-one matches of that sort. I have a question: Where does Blaze get his info in downsizing certain animals? I am not doubting him, it’s just that I have been absent from the forums during the time he posted. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 3, 2020 17:07:51 GMT 5
AFAIK, yes. Pods of hippos attack things by mobbing them, and Cape buffalo have been known to attack lions as a herd. Not to mention, Triceratops may have had an omnivorous and fairly suid-like lifestyle; suids such as peccaries are known in general to mob other animals when attacking them and if Triceratops was similar in terms of overall lifestyle I could easily see a few of them mobbing, say, a Tyrannosaurus, Ankylosaurus, etc. If no one likes the idea of a Triceratops herd against a megasauropod, I won't make that matchup. Just saying, it may be more plausible than it seems. Mobbing? Sounds to me like they aren't as cooperative as pack-hunting predators. Also, the prospect of omnivorous ceratopsians, even if it's plausible (as far as I know), is still speculative. I'm not only not aware of any fossil remains suggesting the consumption of animal matter by ceratopsians (let alone that this actually composed a notable portion of their diet), but I'm also not aware of any isotopic analysis that would either confirm or refute the notion either. Well, mobbing the enemy isn't necessarily herbivore-specific - floats of crocs do it too, and we have several matches with floats of crocodilians. Not to mention, the Cape buffalo against the lions seemed to be at least MODERATELY coordinated: sw-ke.facebook.com/natgeowild/videos/10155214299895930/That's not all - prairie dogs will coordinate to trap rattlesnakes in their burrows and bury them alive. EDIT: Sorry if the video will not show up. If you can't see it, google something like 'nat geo lions vs buffalo got beef' |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jan 3, 2020 18:22:56 GMT 5
DonaldCengXiongAzuma Unfortunately, that's probably a mismatch. Blaze had said somewhere that the long horned bison was only about wood-bison size, and most of Wiki's citations for it also give a mass of around or slightly higher than 1 tonne. Doesn't just apply to your suggestion, but this probably means a lot of our matchups with it are less even than intended. Anyhow, another question on a similar note for anyone who's willing to answer: Anyone think a herd of a few Triceratops vs a megasauropod (e.g Argentinosaurus, Patagotitan, etc) might be a good matchup? We have some evidence of Triceratops living in herds and I think it might be an interesting twist on the usual one-on-one matches of that sort. I have a question: Where does Blaze get his info in downsizing certain animals? I am not doubting him, it’s just that I have been absent from the forums during the time he posted. He closely examines fossil figures and data to see if media measurements hold up. |
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