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Post by tijkil on Nov 28, 2019 5:49:51 GMT 5
True; however, lions go for the torso and flanks. Having said that, yes, the mane would help the lion against the tiger who often attacks head on.
Is there any evidence the mane protects the lion in a fight?
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Post by elosha11 on Nov 28, 2019 6:12:52 GMT 5
GreenArrow Definitely the tiger. Gaur video: True, the gaur is skinnier than the buffalo, but I think that when the tiger got a grip on the throat, it knew it was only a matter of time before the gaur fell to it's knees as it was crushing the windpipe. Buffalo videos: the tiger was able to get the buffalo down on the ground much more quickly than the lion and kill it. Both buffaloes were pretty similar in size. As to the bolded above, it's pretty clear the buffalo the lion killed was substantially larger than the one killed by the tiger. Under the reasonable assumption that the tiger and lion are close in size, the buffalo killed by the lion is quite a bit larger and heavier than the lion, whereas the buffalo the tiger kills doesn't look much bigger than the tiger at all. So unless the tiger is a giant and lion somewhat small, it seems clear the buffalo the lion killed was quite a bit larger. That's not to take away anything from either impressive predation, this is simply to point to what appears clear in the video as to the buffalos' respective sizes. |
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Post by smedz on Nov 28, 2019 7:25:15 GMT 5
GreenArrow Definitely the tiger. Gaur video: True, the gaur is skinnier than the buffalo, but I think that when the tiger got a grip on the throat, it knew it was only a matter of time before the gaur fell to it's knees as it was crushing the windpipe. Buffalo videos: the tiger was able to get the buffalo down on the ground much more quickly than the lion and kill it. Both buffaloes were pretty similar in size. As to the bolded above, it's pretty clear the buffalo the lion killed was substantially larger than the one killed by the tiger. Under the reasonable assumption that the tiger and lion are close in size, the buffalo killed by the lion is quite a bit larger and heavier than the lion, whereas the buffalo the tiger kills doesn't look much bigger than the tiger at all. So unless the tiger is a giant and lion somewhat small, it seems clear the buffalo the lion killed was quite a bit larger. That's not to take away anything from either impressive predation, this is simply to point to what appears clear in the video as to the buffalos' respective sizes. Honestly, the buffaloes did not seem really different in size. At least to me it seems that way. |
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Post by tijkil on Nov 28, 2019 8:00:57 GMT 5
As to the bolded above, it's pretty clear the buffalo the lion killed was substantially larger than the one killed by the tiger. Under the reasonable assumption that the tiger and lion are close in size, the buffalo killed by the lion is quite a bit larger and heavier than the lion, whereas the buffalo the tiger kills doesn't look much bigger than the tiger at all. So unless the tiger is a giant and lion somewhat small, it seems clear the buffalo the lion killed was quite a bit larger. That's not to take away anything from either impressive predation, this is simply to point to what appears clear in the video as to the buffalos' respective sizes. Honestly, the buffaloes did not seem really different in size. At least to me it seems that way. If I show a picture of a tiger with a huge bull buffalo and a picture of a lion with a tiny ass buffalo, which one is more impressive? This is such a stupid comparison, to post like 1 or 2 videos as a comparison.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 28, 2019 19:54:10 GMT 5
True; however, lions go for the torso and flanks. Having said that, yes, the mane would help the lion against the tiger who often attacks head on.
Is there any evidence the mane protects the lion in a fight?
Well, it's mostly anecdotal IIRC. |
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Post by tijkil on Nov 29, 2019 8:46:45 GMT 5
Is there any evidence the mane protects the lion in a fight?
Well, it's mostly anecdotal IIRC.
What evidence is this? I think some studies on why lions have manes (not as protection, but as a show of health to other lions), some accounts of animals like lionesses and tigers killing male lions through the mane, and also videos of humans going through the lions mane on camera should do the trick to show that it is really just hair, and not Adamantium.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 29, 2019 17:51:25 GMT 5
Well, it's mostly anecdotal IIRC.
What evidence is this? I think some studies on why lions have manes (not as protection, but as a show of health to other lions), some accounts of animals like lionesses and tigers killing male lions through the mane, and also videos of humans going through the lions mane on camera should do the trick to show that it is really just hair, and not Adamantium.
From what I can tell, it just gets in the way a bit |
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Post by elosha11 on Nov 29, 2019 21:57:08 GMT 5
As to the bolded above, it's pretty clear the buffalo the lion killed was substantially larger than the one killed by the tiger. Under the reasonable assumption that the tiger and lion are close in size, the buffalo killed by the lion is quite a bit larger and heavier than the lion, whereas the buffalo the tiger kills doesn't look much bigger than the tiger at all. So unless the tiger is a giant and lion somewhat small, it seems clear the buffalo the lion killed was quite a bit larger. That's not to take away anything from either impressive predation, this is simply to point to what appears clear in the video as to the buffalos' respective sizes. Honestly, the buffaloes did not seem really different in size. At least to me it seems that way. Really? If you look closely it seems quite obvious to me. The buffalo the lion kills is taller, longer and thicker. Granted the video is much closer to the lion than to the tiger, but the buffalo in the tiger video looks much closer to the tiger's size, not much bigger at all. It seems fairly clear that the lion's buffalo is quite a bit larger. Neither one is huge, obviously. I consider both of these videos great examples of the lethality of both big cats. |
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Post by elosha11 on Nov 29, 2019 22:00:11 GMT 5
Honestly, the buffaloes did not seem really different in size. At least to me it seems that way. If I show a picture of a tiger with a huge bull buffalo and a picture of a lion with a tiny ass buffalo, which one is more impressive? This is such a stupid comparison, to post like 1 or 2 videos as a comparison.
@tigkil, just a head's up. We try to be respectful as we debate, even when opinions differ. Thus, insulting commentary or characterizations of opposing views as "stupid" is to be avoided. Make your point in a forceful, but respectful manner. Thanks. |
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Post by tijkil on Nov 30, 2019 4:52:26 GMT 5
If I show a picture of a tiger with a huge bull buffalo and a picture of a lion with a tiny ass buffalo, which one is more impressive? This is such a stupid comparison, to post like 1 or 2 videos as a comparison.
@tigkil, just a head's up. We try to be respectful as we debate, even when opinions differ. Thus, insulting commentary or characterizations of opposing views as "stupid" is to be avoided. Make your point in a forceful, but respectful manner. Thanks.
I never called anybody stupid, I just said the comparison is stupid. That is not an insult, it insults nobody. Just a normal part of any debate.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 30, 2019 5:37:36 GMT 5
@tijkii
IIRC, lions can kill sizable buffaloes too. There are some accounts of it as with tigers
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Post by elosha11 on Dec 1, 2019 7:38:11 GMT 5
@tigkil, just a head's up. We try to be respectful as we debate, even when opinions differ. Thus, insulting commentary or characterizations of opposing views as "stupid" is to be avoided. Make your point in a forceful, but respectful manner. Thanks. I never called anybody stupid, I just said the comparison is stupid. That is not an insult, it insults nobody. Just a normal part of any debate.
Nevertheless, I encourage you to use less loaded language. You can state the comparision is misplaced, not plausible, a weak point, etc. It leads to a higher level of discourse. |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Feb 11, 2020 4:25:17 GMT 5
Found an article: Examining the Extinction of the Barbary Lion and Its Implications for Felid Conservation Simon A. Black, Amina Fellous, Nobuyuki Yamaguchi, David L. Roberts Abstract Estimations of species extinction dates are rarely definitive, yet declarations of extinction or extirpation are important as they define when conservation efforts may cease. Erroneous declarations of extinctions not only destabilize conservation efforts but also corrode local community support. Mismatches in perceptions by the scientific and local communities risk undermining sensitive, but important partnerships. We examine observations relating to the decline and extinction of Barbary lions in North Africa. Whilst the extinction predates the era of the scientific conservation movement, the decline is relatively well documented in historical records. Recently unearthed accounts suggest Barbary lions survived later than previously assumed. We use probabilistic methods to estimate a more recent extinction date for the subspecies. The evidence presented for a much later persistence of lions in North Africa, including generations when sightings were nil, suggests caution when considering felid populations as extinct in the wild. The case raises the possibility that captive animals descended from the Moroccan royal collection are closer contemporaries to wild Barbary lions. Furthermore, our results highlight the vulnerability of very small lion populations and the significance of continued conservation of remnant lion populations in Central and West Africa. journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0060174 |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Feb 16, 2020 15:18:09 GMT 5
@thelionboy and brobear which big cat will you vote for? Personally, I think it is a close fight at parity. |
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Post by TheLionBoy on Feb 16, 2020 16:43:16 GMT 5
The Barbary is strong but the bengal is a ferocious tough cunt so I think 50 50
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