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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 6:00:56 GMT 5
thats what i mean which is why a bear would beat a gator on land . because on land alligators first insticnt is to jump back into the water They do not want to flee in a fight to the death, which is why it's such a bad analogy. In fact, the objective of an alligator in a fight to the death would be pretty much the exact opposite of a real life encounter in a real life encounter they avoid each other as much as possible . but in coliseam sized arena the bear will win just because of the fact he has the home turf advantage . in the water it is a hands down victory for the alligator. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 6:02:48 GMT 5
No, it does not have the advantage, or at least I haven't been convinced it does.
What does the bear have that counteracts everything about the gator I mentioned? So far, it seems to me the answer is nothing
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 6:11:33 GMT 5
No, it does not have the advantage, or at least I haven't been convinced it does. What does the bear have that counteracts everything about the gator I mentioned? So far, it seems to me the answer is nothing i do not see any advantage the alligator has over the bear on land either . alligators are pretty whimpy on land and will often be scared away by animals much smaller than a black bear like a cougar. just as the bear would be whimpy in the water , i do not see anything the alligator can do to the bear on land without getting mauled by the bears razor sharp claws.  |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 6:13:51 GMT 5
No, it does not have the advantage, or at least I haven't been convinced it does. What does the bear have that counteracts everything about the gator I mentioned? So far, it seems to me the answer is nothing i do not see any advantage the alligator has over the bear on land either . alligators are pretty whimpy on land and will often be scared away by animals much smaller than a black bear like a cougar. just as the bear would be whimpy in the water , i do not see anything the alligator can do to the bear on land without getting mauled by the bears razor sharp claws. 1: I've went over with you these advantages the gator has many times before (and there are many). Do I really need to repeat them? 2: Claws are rather ineffective against armor. We've went over that too 3: Those claws are not 'razor sharp' |
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 6:21:34 GMT 5
i do not see any advantage the alligator has over the bear on land either . alligators are pretty whimpy on land and will often be scared away by animals much smaller than a black bear like a cougar. just as the bear would be whimpy in the water , i do not see anything the alligator can do to the bear on land without getting mauled by the bears razor sharp claws. 1: I've went over with you these advantages the gator has many times before (and there are many). Do I really need to repeat them? 2: Claws are rather ineffective against armor. We've went over that too 3: Those claws are not 'razor sharp' not exactly , check out this video of a lioness using its claws to attack a nile crocodile   ![]() as you can see this lioness used its sharp claws to tear out the crocodiles internal insides not razor sharp? a american black bear can use its claws to fend off agianst packs of wolves and maul cougars with its claws . |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on May 9, 2019 14:53:15 GMT 5
Stops at the crocodile. The croc is too big for the American black bear.
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 15:22:23 GMT 5
Stops at the crocodile. The croc is too big for the American black bear. i agree |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 17:02:42 GMT 5
1: I've went over with you these advantages the gator has many times before (and there are many). Do I really need to repeat them? 2: Claws are rather ineffective against armor. We've went over that too 3: Those claws are not 'razor sharp' not exactly , check out this video of a lioness using its claws to attack a nile crocodile ![]() as you can see this lioness used its sharp claws to tear out the crocodiles internal insides not razor sharp? a american black bear can use its claws to fend off agianst packs of wolves and maul cougars with its claws . 1: Lionesses are much more experienced 2: You kinda invalidated your own point; the INTERNAL insides. Not the armor 3: I meant the picture you posted looks very insufficient to tear through alligator armor |
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 17:07:45 GMT 5
not exactly , check out this video of a lioness using its claws to attack a nile crocodile ![]() as you can see this lioness used its sharp claws to tear out the crocodiles internal insides not razor sharp? a american black bear can use its claws to fend off agianst packs of wolves and maul cougars with its claws . 1: Lionesses are much more experienced 2: You kinda invalidated your own point; the INTERNAL insides. Not the armor 3: I meant the picture you posted looks very insufficient to tear through alligator armor 1. black bears have experince with american alligators 2. not really as the bear can evenetully tire out the alligator and get him too his belly and do what this lioness did 3.  here is a picture of lioness using their teeth to tear through the crocodiles scaly skin . i think if a lioness teeth can cut through a crocodilians tough skin then a bears sharper claws would have no problems doing so. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 9, 2019 20:37:32 GMT 5
1: Lionesses are much more experienced 2: You kinda invalidated your own point; the INTERNAL insides. Not the armor 3: I meant the picture you posted looks very insufficient to tear through alligator armor 1. black bears have experince with american alligators 2. not really as the bear can evenetully tire out the alligator and get him too his belly and do what this lioness did 3. here is a picture of lioness using their teeth to tear through the crocodiles scaly skin . i think if a lioness teeth can cut through a crocodilians tough skin then a bears sharper claws would have no problems doing so. 1: Do American black bear regularly fight healthy alligators 3 times their size willing to fight to the bitter end? 2: The alligator likely isn't going to tire out until after it's killed the bear. We went over that too 3: That crocodile is dead, and definitely wasn't fighting back with full strength and effort. Moreover, there are multiple lionesses, and all the previous factors would greatly impede the damage output of the bear. |
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Post by rock on May 9, 2019 21:44:13 GMT 5
1. black bears have experince with american alligators 2. not really as the bear can evenetully tire out the alligator and get him too his belly and do what this lioness did 3. here is a picture of lioness using their teeth to tear through the crocodiles scaly skin . i think if a lioness teeth can cut through a crocodilians tough skin then a bears sharper claws would have no problems doing so. 1: Do American black bear regularly fight healthy alligators 3 times their size willing to fight to the bitter end? 2: The alligator likely isn't going to tire out until after it's killed the bear. We went over that too 3: That crocodile is dead, and definitely wasn't fighting back with full strength and effort. Moreover, there are multiple lionesses, and all the previous factors would greatly impede the damage output of the bear. 1: yes sometimes , but they will genereally flee from the fight due to not wanting to be hurt by the gators teeth 2:alligators can only fight for 30 minutes sometimes a half hour most bears can fight for 2 hours streight 3:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIY6yHMJPVk |
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