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Post by rock on Jun 18, 2019 3:02:18 GMT 5
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Post by creature386 on Jun 18, 2019 3:19:47 GMT 5
I increasingly doubt that there is really a thing such as objective morality, but using conventional morality, I guess I can make a value judgement. Under conventional morality, kicking a dog or a cute kitten is considered abominable, but doing something much worse to equally (if not more) intelligent animals is considered perfectly OK. Psychologist Melanie Joy dubbed this "moral cognitive dissonance" in her book "Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows".
I don't think we have any good reason to think humans are all that exceptional and should get a special treatment. The best we have is intelligence, but even then many infants are way less intelligent than the animals we eat and not considered killable.
That being said, I don't have the spine to go vegan myself, so I don't want to preach any further.
Plus, I'm nowadays rather skeptical of anything such as objective morality, so if you can live with eating meat or not depends on how well you can reconcile this with your ego. I'm not so good at that.
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Post by rock on Jun 18, 2019 3:23:28 GMT 5
I increasingly doubt that there is really a thing such as objective morality, but using conventional morality, I guess I can make a value judgement. Under conventional morality, kicking a dog or a cute kitten is considered abominable, but doing something much worse to equally (if not more) intelligent animals is considered perfectly OK. Psychologist Melanie Joy dubbed this "moral cognitive dissonance" in her book "Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows". I don't think we have any good reason to think humans are all that exceptional and should get a special treatment. The best we have is intelligence, but even then many infants are way less intelligent than the animals we eat and not considered killable. That being said, I don't have the spine to go vegan myself, so I don't want to preach any further. well vegans eat plants and plants are living things in fact plants have just as much as right to live as a cow or pig does , so really we should all starve and not eat anything according to that logic |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jun 18, 2019 4:02:56 GMT 5
In and of itself, I have no problem with killing an animal in order to eat it. Especially if one lives under circumstances where starving to death is a very real possibility (so for basically the vast majority of human history, and of course, in some parts of the globe today). If I were living under such circumstances, I wouldn't take any chances. I would not go vegan, and would have no problem eating the flesh of an animal someone killed for food.
Except many of us today don't live under such circumstances. I certainly don't. And the present treatment of animals killed for food these days would, if anything, be another valid and understandable reason to eschew their corollary food products (or at least reduce the rate of consumption thereof), as the pictures in the OP poignantly demonstrate.
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Post by rock on Jun 18, 2019 4:45:30 GMT 5
In and of itself, I have no problem with killing an animal in order to eat it. Especially if one lives under circumstances where starving to death is a very real possibility (so for basically the vast majority of human history, and of course, in some parts of the globe today). If I were living under such circumstances, I wouldn't take any chances. I would not go vegan, and would have no problem eating the flesh of an animal someone killed for food. Except many of us today don't live under such circumstances. I certainly don't. And the present treatment of animals killed for food these days would, if anything, be another valid and understandable reason to eschew their corollary food products (or at least reduce the rate of consumption thereof), as the pictures in the OP poignantly demonstrate. i agree , but this is all up to oppinon so there is not a right or wrong anwser. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 18, 2019 7:23:40 GMT 5
It's certainly okay as long as it's done quickly to prevent any issues and done out of necessity
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jun 18, 2019 7:32:11 GMT 5
Just don't leave the animals suffering. There are some animals which I believe should never be eaten such as bears, dogs, etc.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jun 18, 2019 7:33:42 GMT 5
Cetaceans also should be left alone as there is no easy way to kill them (they die a slow painful death) plus they are extremely slow breeding.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 18, 2019 7:44:41 GMT 5
Cetaceans also should be left alone as there is no easy way to kill them Hasn't narwhal meat made its way to the market recently? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 18, 2019 7:47:58 GMT 5
Just don't leave the animals suffering. There are some animals which I believe should never be eaten such as bears, dogs, etc. I agree with that first part. However, if push came to shove, I'd take whatever was available, dog, bear, whatever. What do you think? |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jun 18, 2019 8:43:03 GMT 5
Cetaceans also should be left alone as there is no easy way to kill them Hasn't narwhal meat made its way to the market recently? Unfortunately yes. By the way, I am not saying that narwhales and dolphins are invincible. There is just no was way to make them die without suffering. Even a beluga attacked by a polar bear doesn't dies an easy death. Whales and dolphins have no neck where they can be stranggled to death unlike bovids. Japanese fishermen target nursury pods (mainly) to get at young dolphins (to use them in their 'sea worlds' for show). They kill the rest of the dolphins by making them drown in their own blood after injuring their blow hole 😠. Australia for dolphins exposes this. |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jun 18, 2019 8:44:34 GMT 5
Just don't leave the animals suffering. There are some animals which I believe should never be eaten such as bears, dogs, etc. I agree with that first part. However, if push came to shove, I'd take whatever was available, dog, bear, whatever. What do think? I understand where you are coming from, however, we are omnivorous and don't forget omnivorous find it easier to find food rather than carnivores. |
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Post by rock on Jun 18, 2019 15:30:53 GMT 5
Just don't leave the animals suffering. There are some animals which I believe should never be eaten such as bears, dogs, etc. i agree pets are not food |
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Post by rock on Jun 18, 2019 15:31:40 GMT 5
It's certainly okay as long as it's done quickly to prevent any issues and done out of necessity the way i see it is humans are animals and animals have to eat , humans are just as much as a animal as a lion or a bear is. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 18, 2019 16:08:47 GMT 5
It's certainly okay as long as it's done quickly to prevent any issues and done out of necessity the way i see it is humans are animals and animals have to eat , humans are just as much as a animal as a lion or a bear is. Just so long as it's done the way oldgreengrolar said, I guess |
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