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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 11, 2019 17:53:53 GMT 5
Title says it
In your opinion, how has Trump impacted the word during his residency, in a good or bad way?
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Post by creature386 on Aug 11, 2019 19:35:46 GMT 5
Paris climate agreement.
That alone justifies voting for "bad", IMO.
Beyond his policies, his most notable impact on the world is that he has normalized bigotry and science denial. Not what makes a good impression on me.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 11, 2019 22:19:28 GMT 5
After having done a bit of research, I gotta say my answer is a bit unorthodox.
Looking at all his major actions, and the uproar they create, I'd probably say it depends on the public's reaction to his actions, and varies from time to time. Unsure overall.
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Post by leo on Aug 13, 2019 5:32:59 GMT 5
Some where in between IMO , not good and not bad , somewhere in between
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 13, 2019 5:48:38 GMT 5
Some where in between IMO , not good and not bad , somewhere in between What would be the reason? I partially agree, but just curious about reasons |
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Post by leo on Aug 14, 2019 2:36:08 GMT 5
Some where in between IMO , not good and not bad , somewhere in between What would be the reason? I partially agree, but just curious about reasons He has stopped illegal immigration and won the Nobel peace price remember??? But he has a very bad way of removing America’s friends like Mexico and China |
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Post by creature386 on Aug 14, 2019 3:14:03 GMT 5
What would be the reason? I partially agree, but just curious about reasons He has stopped illegal immigration and won the Nobel peace price remember??? But he has a very bad way of removing America’s friends like Mexico and China When? And he certainly didn't stop illegal immigration, although he did slightly reduce it. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 14, 2019 3:15:33 GMT 5
^Yes, I am also curious about that. When did he win the Nobel prize, leo? |
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Post by theropod on Aug 14, 2019 4:43:37 GMT 5
Basically the only good thing that has so far come of Trump’s presidency was that it stopped TTIP. Apart from that, I cannot think of anything he’s done or contributed to that wasn’t decisively negative. First of all, the culture of blatant lies, racism, sexism, homophobia, personal insults and even (threat of) violence that has started to dominate political discourse, especially from the right, during his presidency may not have been entirely his invention, but no doubt he massively contributed to popularizing it. Hardly anybody was openly talking about "alternative facts" or thinking someone who openly embraced torture could become the head of state of a civilized country before he was elected. Since then, both seem to have become commonplace. The guy didn’t invent climate-change denialism either, in fact it’s shockingly common, but, crucially, he’s the guy who is withdrawing the US from the Paris accords. He’s the one showing the world that you can get away with such a position, even as a head of state. He’s appointed a huge number of "conservative" judges to US courts, including a certain rapist, which will cause a massive, lasting imbalance in the US judicial system, one of the kind that shouldn’t be allowed in a supposedly independent judiciary, and has already opened the doors for policies with a frankly disturbing level of bigotry that is more becoming of an islamist theocracy than the supposedly leading country of the free world that used to be prevented by those very courts from getting through. Recently, he almost started a war due to his childish squabble with Iran. Who knows what consequences his equally childish squabble with China is going to have. His ideas for "border security" and "sensible military budget" will end up costing huge sums of money, which, thanks to his ideas about taxation, will disproportionately impact those who are already poor. Those same people that are already losing their health insurance because he is too stupid to look up its actual name and realize it isn’t officially called obamacare. His administration continues to stop any attempt at introducing any sort of sensible gun control, which would save thousands of lives. He is publicly expressing friendship with and admiration for some of the world’s worst dictators. In other words, if he were really held fairly accountable for all the stuff he’s done, he’d be spending the next few lifetimes in a maximum-security prison. Of course that’s never gonna happen, because he’s appointed his buddies as judges… |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 14, 2019 15:37:53 GMT 5
theropodAccountable for prison? Change my vote. This probably isn't a good thing
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Post by theropod on Aug 14, 2019 16:51:39 GMT 5
Well, he is probably responsible for quite a number of deaths, albeit indirectly (notably by refusing to implement gun control and withholding access to medical treatment, among others). Granted, most US presidents, and even most heads of state of other countries, have quite a bit of blood on their hands by this logic. But at least most don't actively try to be harmful to their own citizens, unlike him. Not to mention that he's publicly admitted to comitting sexual assault, even if that was before his presidency...
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 14, 2019 17:02:15 GMT 5
How does he try to harm his citizens? I know he's tweaking the laws to his liking, but directly harming citizens?
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Post by theropod on Aug 14, 2019 19:02:40 GMT 5
How does he try to harm his citizens? I know he's tweaking the laws to his liking, but directly harming citizens? How else but "directly trying to harm his citizens" would you describe his healthcare or tax plans, or his blatant refusal to implement basic, common sense rules about the use of dangerous weapons in everyday life? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 14, 2019 19:08:16 GMT 5
How does he try to harm his citizens? I know he's tweaking the laws to his liking, but directly harming citizens? How else but "directly trying to harm his citizens" would you describe his healthcare or tax plans, or his blatant refusal to immplement basic, common sense rules about the use of dangerous weapons in everyday life? Well, isn't that moreso indirect/unintentional (maybe not unintentional knowing Trump) harm? I was under the impression direct harm was implementing a law whose sole or main purpose was to harm the citizens directly |
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Post by theropod on Aug 15, 2019 2:59:13 GMT 5
How else but "directly trying to harm his citizens" would you describe his healthcare or tax plans, or his blatant refusal to immplement basic, common sense rules about the use of dangerous weapons in everyday life? Well, isn't that moreso indirect/unintentional (maybe not unintentional knowing Trump) harm? I was under the impression direct harm was implementing a law whose sole or main purpose was to harm the citizens directly Well, I think the harm caused by many of his policies is so blatantly obvious, there is simply no way he can not be aware of it, which means he does do intentional harm. And I'm not so much talking about immigration (even though his ideas about that, and especially about mexicans, are of course total BS too), but stuff like his tax and healthcare reforms. Literally all they do is further disadvantage low-income people, so it's hard to see how it could not be intentional. And beyond just that there is also the occasional policy (think "muslim ban", "transgender ban" etc) that is exclusively designed to harm a particular group of people. Of course previous presidents have made many stupid decisions. Some have even made actively harmful ones, such as invading certain countries under pretexts that they knew full well were pure fantasy. But that doesn't make it ok. Trump doesn't even bother to come up with any convincing pretexts or act like he's remorseful about mistakes he has made, which makes it a lot more difficult to assume he isn't actively trying to achieve the outcome his policies have, harm people. Basically, half the time he's telling us directly ("bring back waterboarding", "grab them by the pussy") and the other half of the time his explanations are so flimsy its all but obvious what his real intentions are. So yeah, I do think he really just wants to harm people he doesn't like, be that poor people, hispanics, muslims, liberals, women or LGBTQ people. |
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