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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 16, 2019 17:40:24 GMT 5
A 1.2 ton Titanoboa runs the gauntlet. How far do they get?  Round 1: Saltwater crocodile, 600 kg, land  Round 2: Walrus, 1.2 tons, shallow water  Round 3: Hippopotamus, 1.5 tons, moderate water  Round 4: Black rhinoceros, 1.5 tons, shallow water  Round 5: Liopleurodon, 1.3 tons, deep water :max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/liopleurodonWC3-56a2570b3df78cf772748d64.jpg) Round 6: Irritator, 1.5 tons, land  |
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Post by rock on Aug 23, 2019 18:18:08 GMT 5
stops at round 3 , the hippo is far too big for the snake , especially in the water
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 23, 2019 18:20:19 GMT 5
rockHow do you think, more often than not, that the hippo can win? There is not that much mass difference and the hippo has no counter for constriction
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Post by rock on Aug 23, 2019 18:23:33 GMT 5
rock How do you think, more often than not, that the hippo can win? There is not that much mass difference and the hippo has no counter for constriction no , counter? thats a drag? the hippo can use its giant fangs and bite the snake while constricting it or before it constricts it , also a male hippo can weigh up to 4,000 lbs and the snake weighed up to 2,000 lbs , thats a 2X diffrance and in the water i think its a strech to say the snake wins |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 23, 2019 18:28:49 GMT 5
rock How do you think, more often than not, that the hippo can win? There is not that much mass difference and the hippo has no counter for constriction 1: no , counter? thats a drag? the hippo can use its giant fangs and bite the snake while constricting it or before it constricts it , 2: also a male hippo can weigh up to 4,000 lbs and the snake weighed up to 2,000 lbs , thats a 2X diffrance and in the water i think its a strech to say the snake wins 1: WHILE the hippo is being constricted, it has no counter. It cannot grapple, it cannot wiggle free, and it is not flexible enough to bite a snake coiling it. Don't get me wrong, the hippo has a chance for sure. However, I have yet to hear how MORE OFTEN THAN NOT it can win 2: You do know there is only a 20 percent size difference here? Moreover, fossils of Titanoboa have been found that suggest up to 15 meters for it. Scaling up from 12.8 meters and 1.2 tons gives roughly 2 tons, so the weights are close at max as well |
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Post by rock on Aug 24, 2019 0:48:25 GMT 5
1: no , counter? thats a drag? the hippo can use its giant fangs and bite the snake while constricting it or before it constricts it , 2: also a male hippo can weigh up to 4,000 lbs and the snake weighed up to 2,000 lbs , thats a 2X diffrance and in the water i think its a strech to say the snake wins 1: WHILE the hippo is being constricted, it has no counter. It cannot grapple, it cannot wiggle free, and it is not flexible enough to bite a snake coiling it. Don't get me wrong, the hippo has a chance for sure. However, I have yet to hear how MORE OFTEN THAN NOT it can win 2: You do know there is only a 20 percent size difference here? Moreover, fossils of Titanoboa have been found that suggest up to 15 meters for it. Scaling up from 12.8 meters and 1.2 tons gives roughly 2 tons, so the weights are close at max as well 1:it can win but again , hippos are highly aggresive and it can bite the snake before it has a chance to coil it , they arent stupid and they deal with threats like african rock pythons and nile crocodiles daily 2:it may not be a big diffrance but the hippo still has the edge here |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Aug 24, 2019 1:23:33 GMT 5
I wonder what the hypothesized diet of Titanoboa might imply about its maximum prey size. Unique cranial and dental characteristics suggest it was predominantly piscivorous, but what kind of fish was it hunting? How big?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 24, 2019 16:28:34 GMT 5
1: WHILE the hippo is being constricted, it has no counter. It cannot grapple, it cannot wiggle free, and it is not flexible enough to bite a snake coiling it. Don't get me wrong, the hippo has a chance for sure. However, I have yet to hear how MORE OFTEN THAN NOT it can win 2: You do know there is only a 20 percent size difference here? Moreover, fossils of Titanoboa have been found that suggest up to 15 meters for it. Scaling up from 12.8 meters and 1.2 tons gives roughly 2 tons, so the weights are close at max as well 1:it can win but again , hippos are highly aggresive and it can bite the snake before it has a chance to coil it , they arent stupid and they deal with threats like african rock pythons and nile crocodiles daily 2:it may not be a big diffrance but the hippo still has the edge here 1: You are correct in thinking that the hippo can bite before Titanoboa begins coiling. However, snakes are very durable; it once took 5 stabs to the head to kill a small boa. A Titanoboa would be VERY hard to kill. Moreover, Nile crocodiles average 527 kg and ARPs are 50 kg. Neither are on the level of a 1.2 ton Titanoboa 2: Reasons? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 24, 2019 16:35:20 GMT 5
Unique cranial and dental characteristics suggest it was predominantly piscivorous, but what kind of fish was it hunting? How big? I actually had this discussion with creature in the Titanoboa thread: theworldofanimals.proboards.com/thread/649Seems a lot of small fish were what it was after How far do you think the Titanoboa gets here, by the way? |
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Post by rock on Aug 25, 2019 3:06:17 GMT 5
1:it can win but again , hippos are highly aggresive and it can bite the snake before it has a chance to coil it , they arent stupid and they deal with threats like african rock pythons and nile crocodiles daily 2:it may not be a big diffrance but the hippo still has the edge here 1: You are correct in thinking that the hippo can bite before Titanoboa begins coiling. However, snakes are very durable; it once took 5 stabs to the head to kill a small boa. A Titanoboa would be VERY hard to kill. Moreover, Nile crocodiles average 527 kg and ARPs are 50 kg. Neither are on the level of a 1.2 ton Titanoboa 2: Reasons? 1:hippos have been shot by bullets and have survived so they are also very durable , also a knife is not nearly as strong as hippos jaws 2:i mean they have experince with large reptiles like pythons and crocodiles so the hippo would know how to deal with the snake |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 25, 2019 9:05:04 GMT 5
1: You are correct in thinking that the hippo can bite before Titanoboa begins coiling. However, snakes are very durable; it once took 5 stabs to the head to kill a small boa. A Titanoboa would be VERY hard to kill. Moreover, Nile crocodiles average 527 kg and ARPs are 50 kg. Neither are on the level of a 1.2 ton Titanoboa 2: Reasons? 1:hippos have been shot by bullets and have survived so they are also very durable , also a knife is not nearly as strong as hippos jaws 2:i mean they have experince with large reptiles like pythons and crocodiles so the hippo would know how to deal with the snake 1: The knife took 5 stabs to kill a 1-2 kg boa, so the effects would be similar to Titanoboa - it is in the scaling 2: Hippos do not deal with 1.2 ton snakes |
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Post by rock on Aug 26, 2019 2:24:42 GMT 5
1:hippos have been shot by bullets and have survived so they are also very durable , also a knife is not nearly as strong as hippos jaws 2:i mean they have experince with large reptiles like pythons and crocodiles so the hippo would know how to deal with the snake 1: The knife took 5 stabs to kill a 1-2 kg boa, so the effects would be similar to Titanoboa - it is in the scaling 2: Hippos do not deal with 1.2 ton snakes 1:no it would not , again a doesnt always equal B , a hippos jaws is a lot more poweful then a knife or most other human hand weapons [besides a gun or sword or bow and arrow] 2:firsat off i never said they deal with large snakes , second off snakes never delt with hippos either so they would have no expereince taking them on |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 26, 2019 16:19:09 GMT 5
1: The knife took 5 stabs to kill a 1-2 kg boa, so the effects would be similar to Titanoboa - it is in the scaling 2: Hippos do not deal with 1.2 ton snakes 1:no it would not , again a doesnt always equal B , a hippos jaws is a lot more poweful then a knife or most other human hand weapons [besides a gun or sword or bow and arrow] 2:firsat off i never said they deal with large snakes , second off snakes never delt with hippos either so they would have no expereince taking them on 1: Think proportionally. A small, 1-2 kg boa was able to survive 5 knife stabs to the head. In absolute terms, that is a lot less powerful than a hippo's bite, yes. But the effects are similar to what a 1.2 ton Titanoboa would experience if being bitten 2: No, but you implied they would know how to deal with a 1.2 ton snake by using Nile crocodiles and African rock pythons as an analogy. And Titanoboa would simply constrict as usual on a new foe, while the hippo would rush in to bite, but would more often than not succumb to constriction |
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Post by rock on Aug 26, 2019 19:55:31 GMT 5
1:no it would not , again a doesnt always equal B , a hippos jaws is a lot more poweful then a knife or most other human hand weapons [besides a gun or sword or bow and arrow] 2:firsat off i never said they deal with large snakes , second off snakes never delt with hippos either so they would have no expereince taking them on 1: Think proportionally. A small, 1-2 kg boa was able to survive 5 knife stabs to the head. In absolute terms, that is a lot less powerful than a hippo's bite, yes. But the effects are similar to what a 1.2 ton Titanoboa would experience if being bitten 2: No, but you implied they would know how to deal with a 1.2 ton snake by using Nile crocodiles and African rock pythons as an analogy. And Titanoboa would simply constrict as usual on a new foe, while the hippo would rush in to bite, but would more often than not succumb to constriction 1:i doubt that , again theres no way of knowing , a knife is a lot less powerful then a hippos jaws so i doubt the effects would be simalir 2:what i mean is that the hippo has experince of snakes so im pretty sure he would know not to get coiled |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Aug 26, 2019 20:09:30 GMT 5
1: Think proportionally. A small, 1-2 kg boa was able to survive 5 knife stabs to the head. In absolute terms, that is a lot less powerful than a hippo's bite, yes. But the effects are similar to what a 1.2 ton Titanoboa would experience if being bitten 2: No, but you implied they would know how to deal with a 1.2 ton snake by using Nile crocodiles and African rock pythons as an analogy. And Titanoboa would simply constrict as usual on a new foe, while the hippo would rush in to bite, but would more often than not succumb to constriction 1:i doubt that , again theres no way of knowing , a knife is a lot less powerful then a hippos jaws so i doubt the effects would be simalir 2:what i mean is that the hippo has experince of snakes so im pretty sure he would know not to get coiled 1: rock, do you get what I am saying? A knife to a 1-2 kg boa works because the boa is much smaller, and the knife would do similar things to the python that hippo bites would do to Titanoboa because the size ratio between the knife and the python is similar to that of Titanoboa and the hippo's jaws. 2: Not sure that one works. Hippos are far too big to be constricted by ARPs |
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