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Post by Runic on Aug 22, 2013 7:02:19 GMT 5
I won't bet what is more painful between breaking my finger and a knife-like sawing by sharks teeth, I don't need to. You over exaggerate. A cut is a cut whether it be by a shark or a serrated knife. The pain difference is miniscule. Me completely crushing your hand would be LEAGUES more painful than me amputating your hand. You'd feel one non stop while you'd only feel the other for a bit. |
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Post by Runic on Aug 22, 2013 7:03:37 GMT 5
DinoMike, that's not a valid argument because of two reasons: 1. Sharks attacks victims don't feel pain also because of the combination of fear, adrenaline and blood lose. Cut yourself with sharks teeth, you'll feel pain indeed. However, you cannot remove fear or adrenaline, nor can you control blood loss. Therefore, in most cases, shark bites don't cause a lot of pain. 2. Even if you remove adreline and fear, there's still no reason to believe that the shark bite would be any more painful. Do you know what it feels like to have one broken bone? A lot! Now can you imagine your entire skeleton being damaged, and organs being crushed? The pain would be beyond belief. Simply because slicing bites look more painful doesn't mean that they actually are more painful. People often assume that simply because the slicing bite causes massive amounts of blood, it is more painful. That's not true, there are plenty of ways to be in horrendous pain without bleeding significantly. Ask this to any woman who has given birth to a baby before. I'd rather cut my foot than snap my ankle, because the latter is considerably more painful than the former, even if the lack of blood doesn't show it. I still think Slicing Bite is more devastating, but that's just me I guess. Also the teeth are like knives. Stab yourself with a knife and trust me it'd hurt quite alot. Stabbing is not the same as cutting. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Aug 22, 2013 7:04:00 GMT 5
Question: Which is more efficient, a sledgehammer to the skull or a knife to the skull?
Answer: Sledgehammer
Conclusion: In a "bony situation", force is more effective than slice.
Reason: Because the knife would have a hard time penetrating the skull, while the sledgehammer would simply crush it.
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Question: Which is more efficient, a sledgehammer to the stomach or a knife to the stomach?
Answer: Knife
Conclusion: In a "fleshy situation", slice is more effective than force.
Reason: Because the force of the sledgehammer would be absorbed by the stomach, while the knife would simply cut through it like butter.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on Aug 22, 2013 7:37:38 GMT 5
I still think Slicing Bite is more devastating, but that's just me I guess. Also the teeth are like knives. Stab yourself with a knife and trust me it'd hurt quite alot. Stabbing is not the same as cutting. Still sharp none the less like the teeth of Shark's. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 22, 2013 7:46:52 GMT 5
Sharks attacks victims don't feel pain also because of the combination of fear, adrenaline and blood lose. Cut yourself with sharks teeth, you'll feel pain indeed... Not really, at the most it burns for a bit then it goes away. I used to get cut up all the time when doing parkour. Now compare that to me breaking your pinky finger. When i was 5 years old i broke my right arm both bones, it didnt hurt until i decided it looked weird and that I would straighten it out (pretty much all i remember about the whole afair) but at slightly later age I cried about scraping my knee. what your talking about is also entirely irrelevant. |
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Post by LeopJag on Aug 22, 2013 8:14:37 GMT 5
Sharks attacks victims don't feel pain also because of the combination of fear, adrenaline and blood lose. Cut yourself with sharks teeth, you'll feel pain indeed... I guess also because nerves have been severed. |
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Post by Runic on Aug 22, 2013 17:20:38 GMT 5
Not really, at the most it burns for a bit then it goes away. I used to get cut up all the time when doing parkour. Now compare that to me breaking your pinky finger. When i was 5 years old i broke my right arm both bones, it didnt hurt until i decided it looked weird and that I would straighten it out (pretty much all i remember about the whole afair) but at slightly later age I cried about scraping my knee. what your talking about is also entirely irrelevant. No, what you are talking about is an anomaly that happens when your brain doesn't know its body is damaged (Mauro20 on CF stated he once got stabbed and didn't know it till he looked at it). People have been shot and never realised till they collapsed. What you are saying is irrelevant unless you really think if I smashed your hand 10 times you wouldn't feel it everytime? Anomalies =/= irrelevant P.S. Children are less prone to bone breaking as such because their bones aren't fully fused. |
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Post by Grey on Aug 22, 2013 18:30:48 GMT 5
I won't bet what is more painful between breaking my finger and a knife-like sawing by sharks teeth, I don't need to. You over exaggerate. A cut is a cut whether it be by a shark or a serrated knife. The pain difference is miniscule. Me completely crushing your hand would be LEAGUES more painful than me amputating your hand. You'd feel one non stop while you'd only feel the other for a bit. I guess you have a great experience at this... Are you arguing that having your hand sawed would be less tough to experience than having your hand hammed ? Give me a break. Both are terribly painful, only in the case of the sliced victim the lack of pain in a number of account is due to a number of factors. At the end, the discussion here is about lethality, not painful level. Painful for who or which prey by the way ? |
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Post by Runic on Aug 22, 2013 19:03:43 GMT 5
You over exaggerate. A cut is a cut whether it be by a shark or a serrated knife. The pain difference is miniscule. Me completely crushing your hand would be LEAGUES more painful than me amputating your hand. You'd feel one non stop while you'd only feel the other for a bit. I guess you have a great experience at this... Are you arguing that having your hand sawed would be less tough to experience than having your hand hammed ? Give me a break. Both are terribly painful, only in the case of the sliced victim the lack of pain in a number of account is due to a number of factors. At the end, the discussion here is about lethality, not painful level. Painful for who or which prey by the way ? Ok, sharks basically amputate what they bite. Nerves are severed therefore pain goes away quickly. Do you know what a cut is? I've have taken anatomy classes before. I know what I'm talking about. Get stabbed hurts more than getting cut, blunt trauma hurts more than getting cut, getting a bone crushed hurts more than cutting the same bone in two. Give me a break cuts by themselves unless super deep only deliver superficial wounds (just watch a sword fight). A shark amputating your arm doesn't hurt anywhere near as much as a croc breaking that same arm. In one scenario the entire arm is gone therefore pain soon gets numbed because nerves have been severed and adrenaline. In the other the arm is still destroyed BUT it's still attached to the body therefore EVERY time it's moved extreme intense pain follows. Why do you think they say never move a broken bone? Adrenaline doesnt numb crushed bones as much. I know a shark bite looks like gods chainsaw pain giver to you guys but in reality shark bite victims rarely feel intense pain even to the point where they can STILL swim to shore despite getting a limb amputated. Onto effectiveness, both do what they need to do. Hasn't this debate already been argued on CF? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 22:34:02 GMT 5
It depends on the prey and the region covered by the bite.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 22, 2013 23:20:25 GMT 5
When i was 5 years old i broke my right arm both bones, it didnt hurt until i decided it looked weird and that I would straighten it out (pretty much all i remember about the whole afair) but at slightly later age I cried about scraping my knee. what your talking about is also entirely irrelevant. No, what you are talking about is an that happens when your brain doesn't know its body is damaged (Mauro20 on CF stated he once got stabbed and didn't know it till he looked at it). People have been shot and never realised till they collapsed. What you are saying is irrelevant unless you really think if I smashed your hand 10 times you wouldn't feel it everytime? Anomalies =/= irrelevant P.S. Children are less prone to bone breaking as such because their bones aren't fully fused. You dont understand what i meant by it being irrelevant, pain is not what makes one bite better than another, lethality does, I meant your guy's entire little debate doesnt really determine which bite is better. my arm didnt hurt until i straightened it, i was looking at my broken crooked arm and wasnt in pain, what your talking about doesnt even apply to what i was talking about. if it happens often under the same circumstances it isnt an anomaly. Anomalies =/= irrelevant? thats two negatives you just said anomalies are relevant, conflicting with the rest of your post. ps. why does that matter? why would it matter if my bones where less prone to breaking? I still broke both bones in my arm, not only does that have nothing to do with what we were talking about it also is completely pointless to bring it up. |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Aug 23, 2013 1:09:40 GMT 5
I'll throw my two cents in. To remove prey bias I will propose a scenario. We have two 5 ton predators, one with a Tyrannosaur style crushing bite, and the other with a Carnosaur style slicing bite. Both will attack a 5 ton hadrosaur with one bite. In my opinion both will kill the hadrosaur, but the theropod with the crushing bite will succeed in killing the hadrosaur more quickly due to a greater chance of damage to vital internal structures.
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Post by creature386 on Aug 23, 2013 1:22:48 GMT 5
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 23, 2013 1:24:40 GMT 5
I'll throw my two cents in. To remove prey bias I will propose a scenario. We have two 5 ton predators, one with a Tyrannosaur style crushing bite, and the other with a Carnosaur style slicing bite. Both will attack a 5 ton hadrosaur with one bite. In my opinion both will kill the hadrosaur, but the theropod with the crushing bite will succeed in killing the hadrosaur more quickly due to a greater chance of damage to vital internal structures. If your basing it off of possibility of delivering a fatal bite then wouldnt the predator with a slicing bite be the one to favour? while the predator with a crushing bite will need to get its bite into vital areas inorder to cause death, if the predator with a sliceing bite can get a substantial bite almost anywhere on its prey items body can kill it in a fairly short amount of time through blood loss. |
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Post by LeopJag on Aug 23, 2013 7:36:10 GMT 5
No, what you are talking about is an that happens when your brain doesn't know its body is damaged (Mauro20 on CF stated he once got stabbed and didn't know it till he looked at it). People have been shot and never realised till they collapsed. What you are saying is irrelevant unless you really think if I smashed your hand 10 times you wouldn't feel it everytime? Anomalies =/= irrelevant P.S. Children are less prone to bone breaking as such because their bones aren't fully fused. You dont understand what i meant by it being irrelevant, pain is not what makes one bite better than another, lethality does, I meant your guy's entire little debate doesnt really determine which bite is better. my arm didnt hurt until i straightened it, i was looking at my broken crooked arm and wasnt in pain, what your talking about doesnt even apply to what i was talking about. if it happens often under the same circumstances it isnt an anomaly. Anomalies =/= irrelevant? thats two negatives you just said anomalies are relevant, conflicting with the rest of your post. ps. why does that matter? why would it matter if my bones where less prone to breaking? I still broke both bones in my arm, not only does that have nothing to do with what we were talking about it also is completely pointless to bring it up. Thought i might add,....immediately after i broke my wrist a few years ago, i felt no pain until some some 30 seconds later... the last time a dog bit me (a little shitzu), breaking the skin and drawing blood,, the pain was immediate. i remember getting bitten by hamsters - two Syrians that started fighting in the cage, when i broke them up...their incisors went deep into my finger....i don't recall feeling any pain at first but damn it bled a lot! |
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