Apex
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Post by Apex on Aug 24, 2013 0:09:52 GMT 5
I'd give it to the croc walruses seem cumbersome and is only dangerous from the front the crocodile would have greater manuverability
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Post by Supercommunist on Aug 24, 2013 3:02:21 GMT 5
What are the chances of two "freak" incidents being caught on film? I admit crocodiles tearing out the guts of their prey is not common but seeing how I brought up two accounts of it occurring on film less than a decade apart I don't think they are freak incidents. And as I mentioned before the crocodile doesn't necessarily have to kill the walrus by targeting its fatty body, its more than capable of tearing off its fins and drowning it.
The struggle usually occurs because the prey items are usually able to outrun the crocodile, not outfight it. The walrus does not have have that option. Also it is worth noting that I have an account where a farmer lost 200 cattle to a crocodile attacks in a single year.
Their would need to be a ridiculous weight disparity for that to occur underwater. Five hundred pound female crocodiles for example, don't seem to have any problems supporting the weight of males that can weigh four times as much as themselves while mating underwater for hours at a time. Unless the walrus is able to accelerate at high speeds and charge into the crocodile, its weight will do little to support its offensive abilities, and judging by the walrus's cumbersome anatomy that doesn't sound likely.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on Aug 24, 2013 3:36:24 GMT 5
Their would need to be a ridiculous weight disparity for that to occur underwater. Five hundred pound female crocodiles for example, don't seem to have any problems supporting the weight of males that can weigh four times as much as themselves while mating underwater for hours at a time. Unless the walrus is able to accelerate at high speeds and charge into the crocodile, its weight will do little to support its offensive abilities, and judging by the walrus's cumbersome anatomy that doesn't sound likely. This is an animal over 3,000 lbs on average. 1,000 lbs is nothing compared to that.....Can you imagine what it would be like getting crushed by something that big? Do not forget about the Walrus tusk's. They're very strong since they can puncture through solid ice and there was even a case of a Walrus penetrating clean through a motor powered row boat in 1957.
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Post by Vodmeister on Aug 24, 2013 5:29:13 GMT 5
DinoMike, Walrus don't average 3,000 pounds, and Saltwater Crocodiles average well above 1,000 pounds. Adult males average over 2,700 lbs in weight and 10.5 feet in length. Males tend to become fertile at 5-7 years of age but are likely unable to compete for mates until they reach full physical maturity at approximately 15 years of age. alaska.fws.gov/fisheries/mmm/walrus/nhistory.htmAn adult male saltwater crocodile is generally between 4.3 and 5.2 m (14 and 17 ft) in length and weighs 400–1,000 kg (880–2,200 lb). "Our Animals – Reptiles – Crocodilians – Saltwater Crocodile". Australia Zoo. Retrieved 25 July 2013. You're looking at an average size of 1,600 pounds for the Saltwater Crocodile and 2,700 pounds for the Walrus. The size difference isn't that big.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on Aug 24, 2013 5:36:02 GMT 5
DinoMike, Walrus don't average 3,000 pounds, and Saltwater Crocodiles average well above 1,000 pounds. Adult males average over 2,700 lbs in weight and 10.5 feet in length. Males tend to become fertile at 5-7 years of age but are likely unable to compete for mates until they reach full physical maturity at approximately 15 years of age. alaska.fws.gov/fisheries/mmm/walrus/nhistory.htmAn adult male saltwater crocodile is generally between 4.3 and 5.2 m (14 and 17 ft) in length and weighs 400–1,000 kg (880–2,200 lb). "Our Animals – Reptiles – Crocodilians – Saltwater Crocodile". Australia Zoo. Retrieved 25 July 2013. You're looking at an average size of 1,600 pounds for the Saltwater Crocodile and 2,700 pounds for the Walrus. The size difference isn't that big. I still vote for the Walrus none the less due to it's weight advantage and thick blubber. Not to mention their powerful tusks.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 24, 2013 6:28:20 GMT 5
DinoMike, Walrus don't average 3,000 pounds, and Saltwater Crocodiles average well above 1,000 pounds. Adult males average over 2,700 lbs in weight and 10.5 feet in length. Males tend to become fertile at 5-7 years of age but are likely unable to compete for mates until they reach full physical maturity at approximately 15 years of age. alaska.fws.gov/fisheries/mmm/walrus/nhistory.htmAn adult male saltwater crocodile is generally between 4.3 and 5.2 m (14 and 17 ft) in length and weighs 400–1,000 kg (880–2,200 lb). "Our Animals – Reptiles – Crocodilians – Saltwater Crocodile". Australia Zoo. Retrieved 25 July 2013. You're looking at an average size of 1,600 pounds for the Saltwater Crocodile and 2,700 pounds for the Walrus. The size difference isn't that big. I still vote for the Walrus none the less due to it's weight advantage and thick blubber. Not to mention their powerful tusks. mike why do you make so many matches with walruses?
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Post by DinosaurMichael on Aug 24, 2013 6:38:16 GMT 5
I still vote for the Walrus none the less due to it's weight advantage and thick blubber. Not to mention their powerful tusks. mike why do you make so many matches with walruses? Is there something wrong with that? The Walrus just seems like a formidable opponent of many animals because of it's large size and tusks.
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 24, 2013 6:46:57 GMT 5
mike why do you make so many matches with walruses? Is there something wrong with that? The Walrus just seems like a formidable opponent of many animals because of it's large size and tusks. there isnt and it isnt, against almost everything you throw it against it looses because its too damn slow and cumbersome. it works out here alright but against most terrestrial it amounts to thing slowly dying because its hard to kill but would almost never get a killing blow or any blow for that matter against its opponent.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on Aug 24, 2013 6:55:38 GMT 5
Is there something wrong with that? The Walrus just seems like a formidable opponent of many animals because of it's large size and tusks. there isnt and it isnt, against almost everything you throw it against it looses because its too damn slow and cumbersome. it works out here alright but against most terrestrial it amounts to thing slowly dying because its hard to kill but would almost never get a killing blow or any blow for that matter against its opponent. Oh.
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Post by Supercommunist on Aug 24, 2013 7:05:12 GMT 5
I'm going to say this again, due to the buoyancy of water that is not an option for a walrus. Again female crocodiles are more than capable of supporting the weight of much larger two thousand pound males while mating underwater.
Now who's the one posting "freak" incidents.
None of the walruses in that video seemed to suffer from any serious injury even after engaging in a long drawn out brawl. Since crocodile hides are armored a walrus's tusk shouldn't do too much damage to the reptile, provided it doesn't sit still.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on Aug 24, 2013 7:37:55 GMT 5
Now who's the one posting "freak" incidents. None of the walruses in that video seemed to suffer from any serious injury even after engaging in a long drawn out brawl. Since crocodile hides are armored a walrus's tusk shouldn't do too much damage to the reptile, provided it doesn't sit still. For all we know those possibly aren't freak incidents, but who knows. Oh and by the way. Haven't Tiger's gnawed through Crocodile's armor before? If I recall. Tiger's have killed Crocodile's and they have no trouble biting through the armor. Some armor huh?
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 24, 2013 8:00:34 GMT 5
Now who's the one posting "freak" incidents. None of the walruses in that video seemed to suffer from any serious injury even after engaging in a long drawn out brawl. Since crocodile hides are armored a walrus's tusk shouldn't do too much damage to the reptile, provided it doesn't sit still. For all we know those possibly aren't freak incidents, but who knows. Oh and by the way. Haven't Tiger's gnawed through Crocodile's armor before? If I recall. Tiger's have killed Crocodile's and they have no trouble biting through the armor. Some armor huh? Rats can gnaw through steel, some metal eh? guess we better stop making our tanks out of it.
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Post by Supercommunist on Aug 24, 2013 9:14:29 GMT 5
So let me get this straight, you are dismissing my video recorded accounts of crocodiles disemboweling zebras as freak accidents, but I am suppose to believe that walruses can rip through boat hulls from a sketchy claim in the 1950's that you haven't even sourced?
Yes through repeated chewing they are able to eventually tear through it. Just like how a walrus's thick skin would eventually fail to save it from a polar bear's repeated biting.
3:29 Even when the needle was inserted between the gaps of lolongs scales the needle bent.
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Post by Supercommunist on Aug 24, 2013 9:58:08 GMT 5
1:02 Crocodile practically bites of zebra muzzle. If a crocodile can tear off a zebra's face and leg, it could do the same to a walrus's flippers. I do believe I posted more than enough evidence that a large crocodile would have no trouble causing grievous harm to a walrus, now I would like to see the reverse in turn. Please provide a picture, video, or an account of a walrus killing or seriously injuring a large animal underwater with its tusks.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on Aug 24, 2013 16:07:31 GMT 5
Well they don't happen often don't they and I guess what you're saying about the boat thing in 1957 is true.
Anyway I've changed my opinion. This fight is 50/50, but I still slightly lean towards the Walrus.
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