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Post by creature386 on Aug 27, 2013 17:06:36 GMT 5
Skull: 1,6 meters (according to Hartman's skeletal) I believe you should not just take one skull length, you could also list 1,51 (Carrano's 142 cm skull length*1,065). It may not be very likely, but still a possibility. |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Aug 28, 2013 1:11:12 GMT 5
50/50 Both only require one well-placed bite to kill the other. So, in most cases, first bite=win.
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Post by gigadino96 on Aug 28, 2013 4:13:43 GMT 5
Well, stats update!
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 28, 2013 4:39:09 GMT 5
Which is presicely why a tyrannosaurus would have the edge against a gigantosaurus in a face to face confrontation. While the gigantosaurus would be forced to target the tyrannosaurus's neck to seriously injure it, the tyrannosaurus has the second option of directly attacking its opponent's head and jaw. More like a longer skull. attacking the head and jaws of an animal with a superior gape is a terrible terrible idea. |
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Post by Runic on Aug 28, 2013 5:21:30 GMT 5
Which is presicely why a tyrannosaurus would have the edge against a gigantosaurus in a face to face confrontation. While the gigantosaurus would be forced to target the tyrannosaurus's neck to seriously injure it, the tyrannosaurus has the second option of directly attacking its opponent's head and jaw. More like a longer skull. attacking the head and jaws of an animal with a superior gape is a terrible terrible idea. Tyrant from CF posted evidence that tyrannosaurus would regularly attack the face of eachother and even survive. |
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Post by Venomous Dragon on Aug 28, 2013 5:30:05 GMT 5
attacking the head and jaws of an animal with a superior gape is a terrible terrible idea. Tyrant from CF posted evidence that tyrannosaurus would regularly attack the face of eachother and even survive. I wasnt saying it wouldnt survive such an exchange i simply meant that with an inferior gape its likely to come out of it on the loosing end most of the time |
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Post by Runic on Aug 28, 2013 5:44:22 GMT 5
Tyrant from CF posted evidence that tyrannosaurus would regularly attack the face of eachother and even survive. I wasnt saying it wouldnt survive such an exchange i simply meant that with an inferior gape its likely to come out of it on the loosing end most of the time Yea that's what I was trying to refer too. He showed the t.rex stan (I think) had skull injuries from having another t.rex shoving their jaws in his to bite the upper part of his mouth. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 9:47:13 GMT 5
50/50, they are roughly equals in size and formidability
To everyone using Scott Hartman's estimates as a reference, Sue shouldn't be used as the representative of the species due to sample size differences.
Using extremes, largest or smallest, is not a good idea here because of sample sizes. Otherwise, we could use Bucky for Tyrannosaurus, and MUCPv-Ch1 for Giganotosaurus, which would result in an easy carnosaurian victory.
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Post by Runic on Aug 28, 2013 15:07:09 GMT 5
50/50, they are roughly equals in size and formidability To everyone using Scott Hartman's estimates as a reference, Sue shouldn't be used as the representative of the species due to sample size differences. Using extremes, largest or smallest, is not a good idea here because of sample sizes. Otherwise, we could use Bucky for Tyrannosaurus, and MUCPv-Ch1 for Giganotosaurus, which would result in an easy carnosaurian victory. Scott used the largest giga dentary as well...... sue tbh might not even be the largest size of a t.rex. |
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Post by Dakotaraptor on Aug 28, 2013 17:33:48 GMT 5
There is not enough reliable paper/sites about T. rex specimen being bigger than Sue. I am not denied there might be bigger, however i am still against very optimistic claims for example 18-20 m Spinosaurus, >14 m T. rex and Giganotosaurus cuz they sound like pure fantasy.
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Post by gigadino96 on Aug 28, 2013 19:34:11 GMT 5
50/50, they are roughly equals in size and formidability To everyone using Scott Hartman's estimates as a reference, Sue shouldn't be used as the representative of the species due to sample size differences. Using extremes, largest or smallest, is not a good idea here because of sample sizes. Otherwise, we could use Bucky for Tyrannosaurus, and MUCPv-Ch1 for Giganotosaurus, which would result in an easy carnosaurian victory. In fact I included 10,9 m for Rexy, not just 12,3 m. Bucky is a very small specimen (10 m, 4 t), most of the specimens were between 11 to 12 meters, with the largest at 12,3 meters (MOR008 may have been marginally longer but lighter). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 22:25:19 GMT 5
50/50, they are roughly equals in size and formidability To everyone using Scott Hartman's estimates as a reference, Sue shouldn't be used as the representative of the species due to sample size differences. Using extremes, largest or smallest, is not a good idea here because of sample sizes. Otherwise, we could use Bucky for Tyrannosaurus, and MUCPv-Ch1 for Giganotosaurus, which would result in an easy carnosaurian victory. In fact I included 10,9 m for Rexy, not just 12,3 m. Bucky is a very small specimen (10 m, 4 t), most of the specimens were between 11 to 12 meters, with the largest at 12,3 meters (MOR008 may have been marginally longer but lighter). My point is that using extremes is a no-no when the sample size of one is very low and the other a substantial amount. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 22:26:58 GMT 5
50/50, they are roughly equals in size and formidability To everyone using Scott Hartman's estimates as a reference, Sue shouldn't be used as the representative of the species due to sample size differences. Using extremes, largest or smallest, is not a good idea here because of sample sizes. Otherwise, we could use Bucky for Tyrannosaurus, and MUCPv-Ch1 for Giganotosaurus, which would result in an easy carnosaurian victory. Scott used the largest giga dentary as well...... sue tbh might not even be the largest size of a t.rex. But the sample sizes are still the biggest issue with that. Also, bring on those "larger than Sue" specimens if you wish, and see them rebutted. |
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Post by Runic on Aug 28, 2013 22:30:12 GMT 5
Scott used the largest giga dentary as well...... sue tbh might not even be the largest size of a t.rex. But the sample sizes are still the biggest issue with that. Also, bring on those "larger than Sue" specimens if you wish, and see them rebutted. Comprehend the bolded word for me ok? The max size of T.rex is and most likely will always be unknown. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 22:37:20 GMT 5
But the sample sizes are still the biggest issue with that. Also, bring on those "larger than Sue" specimens if you wish, and see them rebutted. Comprehend the bolded word for me ok? The max size of T.rex is and most likely will always be unknown. I could easily counter by stating that the maximum size of Giganotosaurus is and most likely will always be unknown. In fact, it could be used for virtually every extinct taxon. |
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