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Post by Infinity Blade on Oct 22, 2019 21:42:09 GMT 5
Since creature386 already responded to your post before this, I won't address it. I will address this. Really, any animal that's much larger than a foe that is physically capable of killing it won't be able to keep its smaller foe at bay deadass 100% of the time. However unlikely they are there will be those flukes where the larger animal somehow, almost miraculously makes a mistake, opening the window of opportunity for its smaller foe to land an attack debilitating enough to kill it. I've already demonstrated how the Elasmosaurus leaves the beaver with extremely little chances of success at swimming around its neck and landing a bite to the neck. Vulnerable as it may be (and as Verdugo noted, I don't think we can be entirely sure that it will just be one bite to the neck, period; these are absolutely massive vertebrae with massive muscles, tendons, and ligaments attached to them), it means very little if the modus operandi of swimming-around-the-head-and-biting-its-neck is FAR easier said than done. So because this is actually not that likely or viable of an option, that leaves the beaver, this ~60-100 kg rodent ( Reynolds (2002)-> estimates C. ohioensis at 60-100 kg, and Hopkins (2008)-> estimates 67 kg for C. leiseyorum), having to contend with an animal probably around the size of an adult Tyrannosaurus rex. |
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Post by valkyrie on Nov 4, 2019 12:18:06 GMT 5
I mean, does the Beaver even actually know about biting the neck? It's not like it's a predator or anything, so maybe it'll just randomly try to bite it instead of going for the vitals. Hell rain down upon me if this is fair in any way, shape or form.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 4, 2019 21:33:25 GMT 5
I mean, does the Beaver even actually know about biting the neck? Yep. That neck is a very large target and the one that would be closest, therefore it's most logical to go after it Well I do agree Elasmosaurus has this for a good majority, as I said, that neck is vulnerable. Basically, it's the largest and closest target so it is therefore the most likely. |
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Post by valkyrie on Nov 5, 2019 10:55:00 GMT 5
 I dunno, this definitely looks like it'll kill a poor beaver before it gets anywhere close. I'm not the delusional one here, right? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 5, 2019 18:19:39 GMT 5
valkyrieErr...sort of. I agree Elasmosaurus has the weapons to win, but surely that won't happen 100%, will it?
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Post by Infinity Blade on Nov 5, 2019 18:38:45 GMT 5
It'll happen like...~99% of the time or so. The tiny bit of chance for the beaver being the elasmosaur making some stupid mistake and the beaver wins via fluke.  |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 5, 2019 21:25:51 GMT 5
As I said, 99% seems a bit much. I mean beavers are pretty good swimmers, and that neck will create drag
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Post by Infinity Blade on Nov 5, 2019 22:53:48 GMT 5
And yet this neck helped it catch small, fast swimming, agile fish with apparently no issue.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 5, 2019 23:01:12 GMT 5
The thing about that is that the neck would create a lot of drag proportionately, but since it's so much larger it can cover a lot mroe ground at once than a small fish. That effect is significantly reduced with the beaver.
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Post by theropod on Nov 5, 2019 23:43:02 GMT 5
Are you saying a giant beaver is a better swimmer than a fish?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 5, 2019 23:44:16 GMT 5
No, what I am saying is that the drag created by the neck would be negated by the fact that the neck by sheer size alone goes a lot faster and further in less time than the fish does. This effect is reduced with the beaver because the beaver is a lot bigger than the fish Elasmosaurus preys on.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Nov 5, 2019 23:49:43 GMT 5
That would help the Elasmosaurus. Because now it's catching a larger animal that might not only be slower for that reason, but isn't even as specialized for swimming as a fish.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 6, 2019 3:05:44 GMT 5
Well, that could come closer to evening it out I suppose.
But beavers seem to be pretty good swimmers. I still don't consider this unfair.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Nov 6, 2019 4:56:24 GMT 5
Is that really your only reason left for thinking that this is somehow not a serious mismatch?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 6, 2019 5:02:49 GMT 5
Is that really your only reason left for thinking that this is somehow not a serious mismatch? That and, while I do agree the head and neck can keep the beaver at bay a good bit of the time, they aren't exactly infallible for reasons I gave earlier. |
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