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Post by theropod on Nov 6, 2019 5:07:39 GMT 5
Again, 3-8 t vs <100 kg, how on earth is that not unfair? That is like saying that an adult Brachiosaurus vs a lone Allosaurus isn’t unfair, just because the former is less agile and has an exposed, "vulnerable" neck that the latter could supposedly exploit.
With the major difference that unlike a beaver, an Allosaurus does have jaws and teeth built do cause severe soft tissue damage and blood loss with such a bite…while a beaver’s teeth are built to chisel through wood, not cut flesh.
And yet, I don’t think there is anyone here who wouldn’t consider a 50 ton sauropod vs a 2 ton theropod to be a mismatch, so why the heck do you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that a multi-tonne plesiosaur vs a f*ing beaver is a mismatch?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 6, 2019 6:05:19 GMT 5
As I said, land dynamics do not really apply here. In the former battle, the sauropod has a large height advantage and can crush the theropod using weight, as well as deter it with kicks or tail lashing. None of that applies here, since it's underwater.
Moreover, the beaver just has to bypass the head once. That's it. Then it's game over.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Nov 6, 2019 7:05:28 GMT 5
Is that really your only reason left for thinking that this is somehow not a serious mismatch? That and, while I do agree the head and neck can keep the beaver at bay a good bit of the time, they aren't exactly infallible for reasons I gave earlier. What reason or argument that you gave out earlier did we leave untouched? I addressed neck mobility and “drag”, while theropod addressed exactly how vulnerable the neck would be to the beaver’s bite. |
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Post by valkyrie on Nov 6, 2019 16:10:25 GMT 5
I don't think this is gonna get us anywhere. If Dinosauria-senpai wants to believe this isn't a mismatch, why not let him sit in his opinion alone? It's not like convincing someone that a giant predatory marine reptile will absolutely shred a bloody beaver will bring us any benefits.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 6, 2019 17:21:35 GMT 5
Infinity Blade, and valkyrie: Well, I might actually be able to conduct some experiments soon to test the dynamics of this match. I'll let you know how it goes if I can valkyrie: Senpai? Eh? What do you mean by that?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 7, 2019 2:09:15 GMT 5
Alright, so I've done the experiment. It was with some aquarium fish (elasmosaurs) and some food on a stick (the 'beaver')
I can now conclude Elasmosaurus wins about 75-80 percent. So about halfway between my previous opinion and flat out mismatch.
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Post by creature386 on Nov 7, 2019 2:24:43 GMT 5
valkyrie: Senpai? Eh? What do you mean by that? He views you as an elder, probably because you are longer here than he is. Alright, so I've done the experiment. It was with some aquarium fish (elasmosaurs) and some food on a stick (the 'beaver') I can now conclude Elasmosaurus wins about 75-80 percent. So about halfway between my previous opinion and flat out mismatch. Could you describe the experiment in more detail? What dot he fish have that is analogous to the long neck of an elasmosaurus and how does the stick move analogously to a beaver. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 7, 2019 3:10:10 GMT 5
Alright, so I've done the experiment. It was with some aquarium fish (elasmosaurs) and some food on a stick (the 'beaver') I can now conclude Elasmosaurus wins about 75-80 percent. So about halfway between my previous opinion and flat out mismatch. Could you describe the experiment in more detail? What dot he fish have that is analogous to the long neck of an elasmosaurus and how does the stick move analogously to a beaver. The fish, while they possess no long and flexible neck, are very agile, fast, and with good reflexes, not to mention hungry. In other words, they're a very good analogy for the Elasmosaurus' head and neck in this matchup since they have all the same attributes and the same objective. As for the stick: maybe I should have elaborated a bit more. I tied a piece of food to a piece of fishing line which I then tied to a pole, so that I could 'puppet' the food which would act as the beaver. After I got the fishes' attention, I tried to get the 'beaver' to outflank the 'Elasmosaurus', as the beaver would theoretically do in this matchup. And that only worked a minority of the time. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Nov 7, 2019 3:39:04 GMT 5
This is what it means, most closely in the context here. "(anime and manga, fandom slang) An upperclassman or elder student." en.wiktionary.org/wiki/senpaiI think valkyrie was just being a tad ironic, just cuz. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 7, 2019 3:44:27 GMT 5
Yes, I get it. They're a newbie but I've been here for quite some time like creature said.
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Post by valkyrie on Nov 7, 2019 16:18:26 GMT 5
Senpai just means a senior, someone who's been here longer than me. Virtually everyone here is my senpai, if I mean it in a literal way. Anime tends to shift it into a sexual thing, which I personally hate.
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