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Post by Life on Nov 29, 2019 14:31:21 GMT 5
OBSERVATION: A male lion is known to singlehandedly capture, wrestle and suffocate/kill an adult buffalo, to feast on it.
CASE # 1
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Post by tijkil on Nov 29, 2019 15:30:21 GMT 5
OBSERVATION: A male lion is known to singlehandedly capture, wrestle and suffocate an adult buffalo, to feast on it. Known? Those videos dont even have adult buffalo, but that is beside the point.. that lions usually hunt in groups and dont usually do this. But yes, lions are also capable of taking down even bull buffalo at times. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Nov 29, 2019 16:43:44 GMT 5
I'm not sure if this is true or not, but apparently this lion killed and ate this leopard
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Post by Life on Dec 10, 2019 8:30:22 GMT 5
OBSERVATION: Lioness is able to kill relatively larger Buffalo with grace, demonstrating impressive combination of stamina and patience in the process.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 11, 2019 19:59:52 GMT 5
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Post by mountainlord on Dec 12, 2019 0:01:23 GMT 5
I'm not sure if this is true or not, but apparently this lion killed and ate this leopard |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 0:03:50 GMT 5
I'm not sure if this is true or not, but apparently this lion killed and ate this leopard So it was just a rumor after all. I did put a disclaimer. |
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Post by mountainlord on Dec 12, 2019 0:05:58 GMT 5
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Post by Life on Dec 20, 2019 12:26:30 GMT 5
Even though lions have shown that they are capable of killing large, dangerous animals single-handedly, this is predominantly done when lions hunt cooperatively, using the strength in numbers.
Recent studies conducted by experts have shown that buffalo made up only 1% of the solitary male lions diet. The study also showed that lions are ambush hunters, always using the advantage of dense vegetation cover and dark nights.
www.sanparks.org/assets/docs/conservation/scientific_new/savanna/ssnm2015/lion-hunting-and-vegetation-structure.pdf
Observations from the worlds No.1 undisputed top lion expert - Dr Craig Packer
Craig Packer who has had OVER 40 years experience in the field, studying and observing lions, has never seen or heard of a single instance of a lone lion ever killing a healthy bull buffalo. - And very much doubts that a lone lion could even kill a healthy adult Giraffe.
Here's his email: ( This email was originally posted by Ursus 21 aka Gaurus from Carnivora forum )
Refer back to Case # 2 above. Although that was a massive Buffalo Cow (much larger and heavier than any lion), a seemingly experienced male lion brought her down without much difficulty. Male Lions are absolutely capable of subjugating Buffalo Bulls, following is a documented account: Now, keep this fact in mind: Lions prefer to hunt in the dark (i.e. nocturnal). And it is not easy to document hunting aspects of Lions in nighttime conditions due to potential risks to humans: "Lions in Serengeti and Ngorongoro Crater enjoy higher food intake during moonless nights, as measured by the belly sizes of adult females and adult males, which are significantly larger on days closest to the new moon (Fig. 1a). Although males have higher average belly size than females, the slope with luminosity was virtually identical for the two sexes (Tables S2 & S3). Extensive studies of nocturnal foraging in South Africa and Uganda have shown that lion hunting success is highest on dark nights [6], [9], and we similarly found lions feeding on a higher proportion of mornings near the new moon (P<0.01, n = 2,975 carcasses; Table S4); carcasses can persist for hours, thus morning observations largely reflect prey acquisition before dawn. Lions try to compensate for lower nocturnal food intake around the full moon by killing and scavenging more during daylight hours (Fig. 1b; Tables S5 & S6). However, these daytime responses are inadequate to overcome their low nocturnal food intake around the full moon: a lion's belly size reflects its total food intake. Note that food acquisition and belly sizes are similar during the first and third quarters of the lunar cycle; the effect of moonlight is the same regardless of whether the moon is waxing or waning.
Lions attacked >1000 Tanzanians between 1988 and 2009 (Fig. 2). Over two-thirds of these attacks were fatal, and the victims were eaten [3], [5]. The vast majority of victims were attacked after dark. Fig. 3 shows the hourly distribution of attacks each night across the lunar cycle: victims were significantly more likely to be attacked during the darkest days of the cycle during five separate hours of night as well as during the darkest parts of the night as a whole. Because lions mostly attack in total darkness and nearly 60% of victims were attacked between 18:00 and 21:45, attack rates varied strikingly with the phase of the moon. Hourly attack rates were 2–4 times higher in the first 10 days after the full moon (when the moon does not rise until after sunset) than in the 10-day period before the full moon (when the moon is 30–100% illuminated and above the horizon at sunset) (Fig. 4)."Publication: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0022285Anyways, Buffalo are strong and dangerous animals, and have sufficient strength to kill large Felids. Following are some accounts of aggressive Buffalo Bulls killing adult male Tigers in environments which prevented escape of either animal (i.e. staged events): Example # 1: books.google.com.pk/books?id=YscNAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA268&l=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=falseExample # 2: cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=DAC18820923.2.59&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1Example # 3: books.google.com.pk/books?id=1U09AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA277&l=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=falseExample # 4: www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4727249/How-the-tiger-earned-his-stripes.html In the following footage: - you can see that a Tiger killed a Buffalo but other Buffalo chased the Tiger away. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 20, 2019 21:38:08 GMT 5
Here are some accounts of lions killing giraffes that I posted earlier.
And this:
africageographic.com/blog/bush-tales-half-blind-lioness-takes-down-giraffe-for-cubs/
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Post by mountainlord on Dec 20, 2019 23:39:41 GMT 5
Life
You have once again shown blatant hypocrisy to the fullest. You talked shit about my CONFIRMED accounts reported by actual real experts, forest officials, biologists etc....about tigers killing adult elephants and Rhinos, calling them nothing but "accounts"...but at the same time, you posted very old accounts from old books about staged fights between small Javan tigers and buffaloes, LMAO!
Those accounts you posted proved nothing. Javan tigers were very small and only weighed around 100 - 120 kg! Of course they'll lose to a big aggressive wild bull buffalo in a cage fight. I can show you an account of a wild adult male Bengal tiger that destroys a huge wild bull buffalo in a fight.
I can show you the same accounts, but of African male lions getting destroyed by buffaloes in staged fights. Wanna see them?
You always ramble on about "scientific works"...so why did you post a very old newspaper account from 1882??
And that video of the male lion killing the bull buffalo, again proved nothing. Read the description to that video, the bull was ALREADY INJURED and previously attacked by the pride. That was not a solo predation by the male lion. The buffalo bull was already weakened and injured by the pride, so it made the job easier for the male lion.
Show me one single confirmed account of a lone lion attacking and killing a full-grown healthy buffalo bull?? Just one.
As far as subduing and killing large dangerous animals, the tiger is far superior to the lion.
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Post by Life on Dec 21, 2019 0:34:13 GMT 5
Life
You have once again shown blatant hypocrisy to the fullest. You talked shit about my CONFIRMED accounts reported by actual real experts, forest officials, biologists etc....about tigers killing adult elephants and Rhinos, calling them nothing but "accounts"...but at the same time, you posted very old accounts from old books about staged fights between small Javan tigers and buffaloes, LMAO!
Those accounts you posted proved nothing. Javan tigers were very small and only weighed around 100 - 120 kg! Of course they'll lose to a big aggressive wild bull buffalo in a cage fight. I can show you an account of a wild adult male Bengal tiger that destroys a huge wild bull buffalo in a fight.
I can show you the same accounts, but of African male lions getting destroyed by buffaloes in staged fights. Wanna see them?
You always ramble on about "scientific works"...so why did you post a very old newspaper account from 1882??
And that video of the male lion killing the bull buffalo, again proved nothing. Read the description to that video, the bull was ALREADY INJURED and previously attacked by the pride. That was not a solo predation by the male lion. The buffalo bull was already weakened and injured by the pride, so it made the job easier for the male lion.
Show me one single confirmed account of a lone lion attacking and killing a full-grown healthy buffalo bull?? Just one.
As far as subduing and killing large dangerous animals, the tiger is far superior to the lion.
Haven't I warned you before to mind your tongue (and accusations) while addressing posts of other members here? Do not take my patience for granted. You are taking my views out of context now. Re-read my earlier response with cool mind. Since you love to mention 'accounts' which favor your perspective in your posts, why not other members? This privilege must be extended to you only? I am consistent in my views, and I continue to maintain that 'accounts' are subjective. However, I have, and will continue to use different types of content to make a point. This thread isn't about evaluating size of Felids, so spare me your argument about Buffalo killing supposedly small Tigers in a fight to death. Mass = VARIED "There is a popular notion that tigers are ‘bigger’ than lions (e.g. Sunquist & Sunquist, 2002). Hemmer (1974a) suggested that the tiger has a relatively smaller head (skull length) for its body size (headand-body length) than either the lion or the leopard, both of which possess similar head-to-body ratios. Therefore, the tiger’s relatively bigger brain size may reflect its bigger body compared with that of the lion, which has a bigger skull relative to its body size. However, careful re-evaluation of original field data and relatively well-documented hunting records does not support this popular notion. The modern wildliving tiger has an estimated average body weight (i.e. excluding stomach contents) of c. 160 kg for adult males and c. 115 kg for adult females, whilst modern wild-living lion weigh c. 175 kg (males) and c. 120 kg (females), where ‘average’ is the mean body weight of commonly recognized putative subspecies (Yamaguchi, 2005a, b; Kitchener & Yamaguchi, in press). Therefore, we conclude that the tiger has a relatively bigger brain than the lion’s (by c. 16%), given their very similar average body sizes." - Yamaguchi et al (2009) Your contention that a male lion cannot bring down a healthy Buffalo bull, is weak. Refer back to Case # 2 above; this Buffalo Cow is/was bigger than many Buffalo Bulls found in India. Do not overreact - apply common sense. |
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