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Post by Grey on Dec 14, 2019 21:12:18 GMT 5
Once again, I tell you that 20 m is likely for the larger megs, a scientific study is about to be made about it as we talk, do you freaking understand ? Based on the size of the whole associated dentitions, not the isolated teeth but all the teeth of a single found but spread, we know the larger megs were really gigantic. And even by going a bit optimistic and using the largest teeth, sizes above 18 m are not totally out of the question. Also, different weight estimates curves have been made for megalodon, both in the scientific literature and on this forum by theropod who's an actual paleontologist interested among many other things in big critters. A 18 m meg could weigh as well 44 tonnes or 70, depending the regression, depending the period of the year (sharks weight and liver size vary by up to around 40 %), depending the individual. There is nothing to say thay megalodon did not exceed 50 tonnes. We can say simply and cautiously the larger ones possibly could reach at least around 50 tonnes. Which is simply near unparalleled among raptorial animals. Megalodon likely resembled more like a Mako Shark in appearance. The closest living shark to Megalodon from what I heard is a Great White Shark. 50 tons seems to be the most accurate max. It wasn’t as big as a Sperm Whale, not even close smaller than the largest toothed whale. Heck, not even as big as Livyatan. Even shaped like a mako, it could exceed 50 tonnes at 20 m. You have no source for claiming 50 tonnes is the most accurate evidence. The data I present is from the scientific literature and sheer scaling from modern sharks. At 50 tonnes it is in sperm whale size league, and certainly Livyatan as well. Stop writing baseless claims.
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Post by Grey on Dec 14, 2019 21:13:19 GMT 5
Whale sharks of 18 m or a bit more are almost a scientific certainty. This is even in itself an indication of megalodon growing to at least similar larger sizes. If a cold-blooded shark (but filter feeder) can grow to more than 18 m, a potentially truly warm-blooded raptorial shark can at least grow as large, and provided food source as available to whale sharks (remember small whales were very abundant), maybe this can suggest it could really exceed even maximum size of the whale shark. Filter feeder and toothed sharks are too different things. Sorry. Your cognitive skills do not seem to allow you to understand I have kept this in mind in my quote.
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Post by Grey on Dec 14, 2019 21:15:50 GMT 5
Source for all this "likely" conjecture, please. I misread it. It says Great White Shark is more closet related to the Mako Shark. Sperm Whale: View AttachmentBad drawing, sperm whales are bulky but not that bulky, and this size is based on an exceptionally large and exceptionally unverifiable specimen. Like using the Hafthor Bjornsson of sperm whales. What about the Hafthor Bjornsson of megalodons, of Livyatan ? Bad comparison once again. Use your brain, he used the absolute hypothetical largest individual. The largest confirmed with precise size was 20.7 m and 88 tonnes. And the adult males are on average 14-16 m. Megalodon and Livyatan ARE in typical male sperm whale size based on fragmentary or few specimens. Again, even a mako-like body is heavy and powerful and the few meg vertevra definitely indicate a robust body plan. By a matter of physical constraints, larger pelagic marine animals appear to be of similar mass at a given length. Meg, sperm whale and Livyatan were probably similar in body mass at the same length based on the sheer biomechanical constraints they were subjected.
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Post by denis on Dec 14, 2019 22:04:08 GMT 5
I misread it. It says Great White Shark is more closet related to the Mako Shark. Sperm Whale: Bad drawing, sperm whales are bulky but not that bulky, and this size is based on an exceptionally large and exceptionally unverifiable specimen. Like using the Hafthor Bjornsson of sperm whales. What about the Hafthor Bjornsson of megalodons, of Livyatan ? Bad comparison once again. Use your brain, he used the absolute hypothetical largest individual. The largest confirmed with precise size was 20.7 m and 88 tonnes. And the adult males are on average 14-16 m. Megalodon and Livyatan ARE in typical male sperm whale size based on fragmentary or few specimens. Again, even a mako-like body is heavy and powerful and the few meg vertevra definitely indicate a robust body plan. By a matter of physical constraints, larger pelagic marine animals appear to be of similar mass at a given length. Meg, sperm whale and Livyatan were probably similar in body mass at the same length based on the sheer biomechanical constraints they were subjected. Nope. Sperm Whales could reach that length. The reason why they do reach it is because of whaling. We kept hunting them, I think you should use your brain buddy. There were whales way bigger than Megalodon and Sperm Whale is one of them. The largest weighed over 57 tons, since they could’ve reached 24 meters, it’s likely they weighed almost 90 tons.
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Post by denis on Dec 14, 2019 22:06:21 GMT 5
Megalodon likely resembled more like a Mako Shark in appearance. The closest living shark to Megalodon from what I heard is a Great White Shark. 50 tons seems to be the most accurate max. It wasn’t as big as a Sperm Whale, not even close smaller than the largest toothed whale. Heck, not even as big as Livyatan. Even shaped like a mako, it could exceed 50 tonnes at 20 m. You have no source for claiming 50 tonnes is the most accurate evidence. The data I present is from the scientific literature and sheer scaling from modern sharks. At 50 tonnes it is in sperm whale size league, and certainly Livyatan as well. Stop writing baseless claims. I think you should stop writing baseless claims buddy. No Megalodon can reach 20 meters. I suggest reading the truth about The Meg. You would get the information, I suggest listen to recent studies.
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Post by Grey on Dec 14, 2019 22:07:32 GMT 5
Except this is actually not demonstrated at all, and a study actually shows regional size increase BECAUSE of whaling. You really think I did not kniw that old fashioned argument ?
The fact sperm whales were larger on average does not make a 24 m individual valid or only absolutely exceptional. There is ZERO SCIENTIFICALLY STUDIED SPERM WHALE THAT WAS 24 M.
This is only an old, unverifiable record record.
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Post by kekistani on Dec 14, 2019 22:09:08 GMT 5
Even shaped like a mako, it could exceed 50 tonnes at 20 m. You have no source for claiming 50 tonnes is the most accurate evidence. The data I present is from the scientific literature and sheer scaling from modern sharks. At 50 tonnes it is in sperm whale size league, and certainly Livyatan as well. Stop writing baseless claims. I think you should stop writing baseless claims buddy.The lack of self-awareness and the irony are real
Literally everyone here has written sources and reasons for their thinking that are backed up by science apart from you
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Post by kekistani on Dec 14, 2019 22:15:20 GMT 5
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Post by denis on Dec 14, 2019 22:18:25 GMT 5
I think you should stop writing baseless claims buddy. The lack of self-awareness and the irony are real
Literally everyone here has written sources and reasons for their thinking that are backed up by science apart from you
Yeah sure, when Megalodon is still no longer accepted to reach 20 meters.
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Post by denis on Dec 14, 2019 22:36:38 GMT 5
According to this, the original author of the study that said it reached 15.3 meters. He said it’s very rare for a Megalodon to reach 18 meters and he had said it’s very rare for a Megalodon to exceed 15 meters.
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Post by Grey on Dec 14, 2019 22:58:31 GMT 5
The lack of self-awareness and the irony are real Literally everyone here has written sources and reasons for their thinking that are backed up by science apart from you
Yeah sure, when Megalodon is still no longer accepted to reach 20 meters. Do you ever pay attention ? An all new study is about to be made suggesting it could grow that large. You're incredible, it the fifth time I explain you that. Realize and admit that you have more to learn yourself from us than learn to us.
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Post by spartan on Dec 14, 2019 22:59:01 GMT 5
A 24m sperm whale would weigh well above 100t. The 24m estimate also isn't from the jawbone, but from an individual measured by russian whalers if I recall correctly. And can't we just ignore this denis guy? Replying to him won't lead to anything.
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Post by Grey on Dec 14, 2019 23:00:51 GMT 5
According to this, the original author of the study that said it reached 15.3 meters. He said it’s very rare for a Megalodon to reach 18 meters and he had said it’s very rare for a Megalodon to exceed 15 meters. This methodology is inaccurate because it ignores the big differences between meg smile and white shark smile. It is the 6 th time...
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Post by denis on Dec 14, 2019 23:01:45 GMT 5
According to this, the original author of the study that said it reached 15.3 meters. He said it’s very rare for a Megalodon to reach 18 meters and he had said it’s very rare for a Megalodon to exceed 15 meters. This methodology is inaccurate because it ignores the big differences between meg smile and white shark smile. It is the 6 th time... Nah. I have doubts with your statement.
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Post by Grey on Dec 14, 2019 23:10:48 GMT 5
I don't care about your doubts, this will be explained in the study and is already explained on this forum but I think we won't waste our time to explain you anything more from now, you have too much limitations.
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