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Post by denis on Dec 5, 2019 15:56:03 GMT 5
I lean towards the meg as well. A few good bites should be able to cause some serious blood loss for the ichthysaur. It would have to wait for the Ichthyosaur to breath. If it’s head on which this battle is, Shastasaurus would ram the shark.
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Post by denis on Dec 5, 2019 15:59:29 GMT 5
The megalodon wins easily. The Ichthyosaur would likely ram Megalodon if it ever felt threatened.
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Post by spartan on Dec 5, 2019 16:20:23 GMT 5
Not likely increasing, over 50 tons is no longer accepted. It was likely around the size of a Humpback Whale, no larger. That's nonsense. Your inflationary use of the word "likely" is not a valid substitute for backing up your claims with actual scientific sources.
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Post by Grey on Dec 5, 2019 16:56:28 GMT 5
A megalodon fanboy, says the guys whose primary source is Max Hawthorne ?
It is not fanboyism, it has already been explained here why the 2019 article by Shimada is likely incorrect and why there are great chances that megalodon TL estimates could be revised upward.
I repeat again : there is at least another study about megalodon body size being done as of now.
Do you understand how science works ? New studies are being done, the case of megalodon is not solved.
But you persist to demonstrate how much you don't know this field of research.
You even used a source proving megalodon as a predator while wanting to establish it as a scavenger ! This shows you don't even consult your own sources.
What you say doesn't matter, we cannot careless if you say S. sikanniensis was a 70 tonnes animal, what matters is that you explain why.
Why an animal with a body depth of barely 2.5 m maximum would weigh as much as a male Physeter.
You simply don't know what you're talking about, don't you ? All what you do here is parroting Max Hawthorne fantasies.
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Post by Grey on Dec 5, 2019 16:57:08 GMT 5
The megalodon wins easily. The Ichthyosaur would likely ram Megalodon if it ever felt threatened. Evidence of ramming is shastasaurids ?
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Post by denis on Dec 5, 2019 17:00:47 GMT 5
A megalodon fanboy, says the guys whose primary source is Max Hawthorne ? It is not fanboyism, it has already been explained here why the 2019 article by Shimada is likely incorrect and why there are great chances that megalodon TL estimates could be revised upward. I repeat again : there is at least another study about megalodon body size being done as of now. Do you understand how science works ? New studies are being done, the case of megalodon is not solved. But you persist to demonstrate how much you don't know this field of research. You even used a source proving megalodon as a predator while wanting to establish it as a scavenger ! This shows you don't even consult your own sources. What you say doesn't matter, we cannot careless if you say S. sikanniensis was a 70 tonnes animal, what matters is that you explain why. Why an animal with a body depth of barely 2.5 m maximum would weigh as much as a male Physeter. You simply don't know what you're talking about, don't you ? All what you do here is parroting Max Hawthorne fantasies. It likely has been solved. You stick with recent estimates. I just think your not going to accept the recent size.
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Post by denis on Dec 5, 2019 17:02:14 GMT 5
Not likely increasing, over 50 tons is no longer accepted. It was likely around the size of a Humpback Whale, no larger. That's nonsense. Your inflationary use of the word "likely" is not a valid substitute for backing up your claims with actual scientific sources.
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Post by denis on Dec 5, 2019 17:03:56 GMT 5
A megalodon fanboy, says the guys whose primary source is Max Hawthorne ? It is not fanboyism, it has already been explained here why the 2019 article by Shimada is likely incorrect and why there are great chances that megalodon TL estimates could be revised upward. I repeat again : there is at least another study about megalodon body size being done as of now. Do you understand how science works ? New studies are being done, the case of megalodon is not solved. But you persist to demonstrate how much you don't know this field of research. You even used a source proving megalodon as a predator while wanting to establish it as a scavenger ! This shows you don't even consult your own sources. What you say doesn't matter, we cannot careless if you say S. sikanniensis was a 70 tonnes animal, what matters is that you explain why. Why an animal with a body depth of barely 2.5 m maximum would weigh as much as a male Physeter. You simply don't know what you're talking about, don't you ? All what you do here is parroting Max Hawthorne fantasies. Uh huh. Sure. When you said Megalodon can grow over 20 meters which is no longer accepted scientists, did you know that’s old estimate. We are sticking with recent estimates not the ones which scientists believe the most, period.
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Post by denis on Dec 5, 2019 17:12:41 GMT 5
The Ichthyosaur would likely ram Megalodon if it ever felt threatened. Evidence of ramming is shastasaurids ? You see the word likely. It’s speculation. Also where’s your source? Where is a source that says the 15.3 meter long estimate is inaccurate?
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Post by Infinity Blade on Dec 5, 2019 17:21:22 GMT 5
So in other words you could have just as easily said here that Shastasaurus lacks the anatomical adaptations for ramming and that it has virtually no weapon to its name?
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Post by denis on Dec 5, 2019 17:24:59 GMT 5
So in other words you could have just as easily said here that Shastasaurus lacks the anatomical adaptations for ramming and that it has virtually no weapon to its name? Hold up, first off, we don’t have a complete skull.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Dec 5, 2019 17:29:06 GMT 5
Yet all the more reason to be skeptical of whether or not it could withstand a ram.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 5, 2019 18:43:35 GMT 5
I could see the Shastasaur BODY slamming, to be fair
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Post by sharkboy101 on Dec 5, 2019 18:48:23 GMT 5
It would have to wait for the Ichthyosaur to breath. If it’s head on which this battle is, Shastasaurus would ram the shark. I don’t think the long slender snout of Shastausaurus can withstand a ram attack. It would probably damage its skull in the process.
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Post by kekistani on Dec 5, 2019 21:01:49 GMT 5
A megalodon fanboy, says the guys whose primary source is Max Hawthorne ? It is not fanboyism, it has already been explained here why the 2019 article by Shimada is likely incorrect and why there are great chances that megalodon TL estimates could be revised upward. I repeat again : there is at least another study about megalodon body size being done as of now. Do you understand how science works ? New studies are being done, the case of megalodon is not solved. But you persist to demonstrate how much you don't know this field of research. You even used a source proving megalodon as a predator while wanting to establish it as a scavenger ! This shows you don't even consult your own sources. What you say doesn't matter, we cannot careless if you say S. sikanniensis was a 70 tonnes animal, what matters is that you explain why. Why an animal with a body depth of barely 2.5 m maximum would weigh as much as a male Physeter. You simply don't know what you're talking about, don't you ? All what you do here is parroting Max Hawthorne fantasies. Uh huh. Sure. When you said Megalodon can grow over 20 meters which is no longer accepted scientists, did you know that’s old estimate. We are sticking with recent estimates not the ones which scientists believe the most, period. So, 18 meters? Shimada's estimates are considered outliers by most.
I'm actually having the EXACT SAME DEBATE as this with another dude on another website. To put it short, Meg wins.If the 2 were to actually fight, Meg has more weapons and better strategies for hunting similarly sized prey than Shasta does. Meg was designed to take impact from slamming into prey, and it doesn't need to breathe air. It is designed to hunt animals like Shastasaurus.
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