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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 19, 2019 18:40:34 GMT 5
European Cave Lion (coalition of 2) - Panthera spelaea  i1.wp.com/atozanimals.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Cave-Lion.jpg?fit=850%2C680Order: Carnivora Family: Felidae Length: 2.3 meters Mass: 220 kg Diet: Large herbivores Age and Location: 600,000 years ago, Pleistocene, Europe and Russia Killing apparatus: Precision oriented jaws, manual claws, pedal claws Diverged from P. leo 1.89 million years ago; status as a distinct species is supported by mitogenomics ( Barnett et al., 2016). Thought to have preyed on juvenile cave bears. European Cave Bear - Ursus spelaeus  www.bearsinmind.org/Uploaded_files/Zelf/holenbeer-1.7572d5.jpgOrder: Carnivora Family: Ursidae Length: 2.4 meters Mass: 450 kg Diet: Plants Age and Location: Pleistocene epoch, 600,000 years ago, Europe Killing apparatus: Generalist jaws, manual claws One of the most common of fossil bear species. Lived in caves, hence the name. DonaldCengXiongAzuma, here you go! |
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Dec 19, 2019 20:40:19 GMT 5
How often do cave bears get preyed on? Cave lions do not seem to be as socialble as African lions. Female cave bears seem to go further into cave to avoid cave lions but there are also records of cave bears killing cave lions.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 19, 2019 21:47:46 GMT 5
AFAIK, the records are moderately uncommon.
I lean towards the bear here, as it is able to kill a lion quickly and is very large and durable.
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Post by mountainlord on Dec 20, 2019 4:28:50 GMT 5
This is a mismatch. Two adult male Cave lions would slaughter the bear. I'd bet my house on it.
You guys grossly overrate bears. Very large male Brown bears have badly struggled against young immature tigers and females in one-on-one fights. What do you think, TWO male Cave lions would do to one single bear then?
The bear will be mincemeat.
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Post by 6f5e4d on Dec 20, 2019 10:20:27 GMT 5
The combined weight of the European cave lions nears the European cave bear enough for the lions to win, and they'd also have better jaws for hunting.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 20, 2019 18:09:26 GMT 5
Well, 6f5e4d, the cave bear still has the ability to kill a lion quickly and take a lot of damage. mountainlord, what makes you think the bear will get killed so easily? It's not like it's just gonna LET that happen. |
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Post by mountainlord on Dec 23, 2019 18:24:27 GMT 5
Well, 6f5e4d , the cave bear still has the ability to kill a lion quickly and take a lot of damage. mountainlord , what makes you think the bear will get killed so easily? It's not like it's just gonna LET that happen.
Large male Brown bears have been killed by SINGLE tigers in fights, so what do you think TWO adult male cave lions is gonna do to one bear?
The cave lions are far superior killers, they have larger teeth and superior jaws for killing. Also, large felids like tigers and lions are built to tackle larger and heavier animals than themselves. Two cave lions cooperatively attacking the bear, will definitely slaughter it and win, period.
One cave bear is not gonna overcome two cave lions. Thats just not gonna happen. The bear will be overwhelmed by the ferocious onslaught of two immensely powerful killing machines attacking it at the same time.
And who told you that a cave bear has the ability to kill a lion "quickly"?? Where did you hear this from? |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 23, 2019 19:34:00 GMT 5
It's twice the mass of a cave lion, so surely it should be able to take one out quickly? I'm sure its weapons would be sufficient.
Likewise, I assume it'd be durable enough to survive the onslaught of one lion while it kills the next, due to loose skin and size. But the lions do have a very good chance
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Post by mountainlord on Dec 24, 2019 4:32:09 GMT 5
It's twice the mass of a cave lion, so surely it should be able to take one out quickly? I'm sure its weapons would be sufficient. Likewise, I assume it'd be durable enough to survive the onslaught of one lion while it kills the next, due to loose skin and size. But the lions do have a very good chance
There's no way the bear is going to quickly kill one of the lions. The bear will be simply overwhelmed by the lions attacking it at the same time. One big male cave lion could have weighed anywhere from 600 - 700lbs, now add another lion and you'll have a formidable force that no bear will overcome. Unless maybe it was a very huge short-faced bear. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 24, 2019 16:24:00 GMT 5
It's twice the mass of a cave lion, so surely it should be able to take one out quickly? I'm sure its weapons would be sufficient. Likewise, I assume it'd be durable enough to survive the onslaught of one lion while it kills the next, due to loose skin and size. But the lions do have a very good chance
There's no way the bear is going to quickly kill one of the lions. The bear will be simply overwhelmed by the lions attacking it at the same time. One big male cave lion could have weighed anywhere from 600 - 700lbs, now add another lion and you'll have a formidable force that no bear will overcome. Unless maybe it was a very huge short-faced bear.They struggle in head-on fights where both individuals are healthy and willing to fight? Can I get some accounts? As for the bear and the lions, they both weigh about the same. Bears have been known to tank a lot of damage, and I'm sure the bear would be able to survive the teeth and claws of 1 lion while it attacked the other |
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Post by mountainlord on Dec 27, 2019 0:42:47 GMT 5
I've already posted the accounts and given the references. (Rukovsky/Sysoev)
You make it sound so simple. Large bears are not good at fighting multiple opponents at once. Thats why sometimes even just two wolves can take the piss out of them and toy with them.
The bear will be taking severe damage by two attacking lions at once. How can the bear focus on one lion, when its getting badly mauled and bitten into by another lion from behind?
The lions can also confuse the bear, the bear will be simply overwhelmed and the lions would eventually tear it apart.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 27, 2019 5:40:58 GMT 5
Two wolves killing a bear? Odd. Do you have the account?
As for this match, if the bear clawed and paw swiped a lion, it would end relatively quickly. And wouldn't the 2nd lion's jaws need to reach a vital place to work?
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Post by brobear on Dec 27, 2019 13:33:15 GMT 5
Fossil evidence suggests that lions went into caves in search of bear cubs. This trend began only when herbivore prey became scarce. Sometimes the she-bear would wake up and there would be a great battle. Lions were then killed, Sometimes the she-bear was also killed.
There remains no evidence of a mature male cave bear killed by lions. There is no evidence to suggest that lions ever hunted brown bears.
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jan 2, 2020 10:29:21 GMT 5
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jan 3, 2020 14:13:14 GMT 5
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