Northern Snakehead vs. Wallago attu

[Infinity Blade]

Feb 18, 2020 6:07:04 GMT 5 velesoid said:

I have posted footage. Not my fault you ignored it. The wallago is known to eat large prey, they are notorious for having eyes larger than my stomach

you posted jack shit, besides a 45 minute video with no time stamp on it.

Furthermore, you yourself have not shown any Northern Snakehead (or any snakehead for that matter) eating impressive prey

bullshit

You've shown me corpses of herbivorous baitfish

to emphasize on the slicing ability of their teeth, to which you are seemingly too retarded to go back and read on. stop strawmanning

pair of Giant snakeheads

*single snakehead

half-dead pike

no proof of it being half dead

The duck is not visible in comparison to the snakehead, either, and we don't know if the snakehead saw the duck itself or just the feet.

reaching out of your ass for another strawman?

Alright then. Go into a pond of spawning C. Micropeltes expecting it to act like C. argus and see where that gets you.

oh look, more statements backed up by nothing which are irelevant to the thread

has different structure.

citation needed

Keep insults, especially things like "retarded", to a minimum.

[velesoid]

Timestamp is right next to the link m8

not the catfish we are debating about, seems significantly larger than 8 kg. good job on posting something irrelevant, we also dont know if it was a catfish that bit it. and the bitten fish is smaller than the one snakehead chomped in half

and we DO HAVE smaller snakeheads leaving impressive bites
like this 16~ Inch snakehead chomping a bass in half, this snakehead likely weight 2-3 kilos and maximum for northern snakehead is 8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJPZwi6XXgg

A pair affects the behavior of the fish

prove it

The fact that an active mid-topwater predator is sitting on the bottom of the tank with its gills flaring and slowly taking in water is proof enough.

not proof, a pike can sit perfectly still for a while if its ambushing a prey item

Again, stop talking about your own statements like that. As for mine, that's just to point out how dumb it is to think that C. Argus and C. Micropletes are essentially the same fish. They aren't.

using images with forced perspective does you no good
www.times-news.com/news/another-bad-thing-about-northern-snakeheads/article_622fef9c-8949-11e5-bf7d-7ba81a2890fb.html
www.web.forumacvarist.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Channa-argus-Northern-Snakehead-1024x576.jpg
oh look, when you use an actual animal instead of an illustration it looks better, no shit

gets larger in general

literally the only part that is true

The giant snakehead's teeth are obviously larger and placed in a far more powerful pair of jaws. They're not interchangeable at all.

got any solid evidence for that, skull to skull comparison, numbers, anything? no? then its just your opinion

[kekistani]

Feb 18, 2020 18:20:22 GMT 5 velesoid said:

Timestamp is right next to the link m8

not the catfish we are debating about, seems significantly larger than 8 kg. good job on posting something irrelevant, we also dont know if it was a catfish that bit it. and the bitten fish is smaller than the one snakehead chomped in half

It's a larger species of wallago. it has smaller teeth than the one we are discussing. The bite marks on the fish (messy and raking) indicate it was a catfish.

and we DO HAVE smaller snakeheads leaving impressive bites
like this 16~ Inch snakehead chomping a bass in half, this snakehead likely weight 2-3 kilos and maximum for northern snakehead is 8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJPZwi6XXgg

That's another giant snakehead.

A pair affects the behavior of the fish

prove it

The fact that an active mid-topwater predator is sitting on the bottom of the tank with its gills flaring and slowly taking in water is proof enough.

not proof, a pike can sit perfectly still for a while if its ambushing a prey item

They don't lay on the bottom of the lake flaring their gills to ambush prey, they hover in the water until something comes past.

Again, stop talking about your own statements like that. As for mine, that's just to point out how dumb it is to think that C. Argus and C. Micropletes are essentially the same fish. They aren't.

using images with forced perspective does you no good
www.times-news.com/news/another-bad-thing-about-northern-snakeheads/article_622fef9c-8949-11e5-bf7d-7ba81a2890fb.html
www.web.forumacvarist.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Channa-argus-Northern-Snakehead-1024x576.jpg
oh look, when you use an actual animal instead of an illustration it looks better, no shit

>tells me to stop using forced perspective when I literally didn't>uses an image with forced perspectivebig kek

gets larger in general

literally the only part that is true

Other parts are true as well

The giant snakehead's teeth are obviously larger and placed in a far more powerful pair of jaws. They're not interchangeable at all.

got any solid evidence for that, skull to skull comparison, numbers, anything? no? then its just your opinion

Images clearly show that the giant snakehead has larger teeth. as for skulls:

Larger, more uniform teeth for the giant. Not my fault you can't accept it.

[velesoid]

It's a larger species of wallago. it has smaller teeth than the one we are discussing. The bite marks on the fish (messy and raking) indicate it was a catfish

the catfish that wade caught could easily weight 20 kg, more than twice the size of one we are using here

That's another giant snakehead.

small snakehead which was still capable of doing a similar level of damage compared to a catfish 10 times its size

They don't lay on the bottom of the lake flaring their gills to ambush prey, they hover in the water until something comes past.

that is still not proof that it was dead, half dead or incapable of fighting back. for all we know it might have been at the bottom because an aquarium is not familiar territory to it

tells me to stop using forced perspective when I literally didn't>uses an image with forced perspectivebig kek

both fishes in both images are held in similar fashion and there is no noticable difference in robustness

Images clearly show that the giant snakehead has larger teeth. as for skulls:

again, this is not proof, either give numbers or side by side comparison of both species skulls at parity or get out

[velesoid]

and even small sp. like c.striata has teeth just as large as the giant snakehead disregarding the size disparity

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKTfN5Ud3vs

[kekistani]

Feb 18, 2020 21:00:53 GMT 5 velesoid said:

It's a larger species of wallago. it has smaller teeth than the one we are discussing. The bite marks on the fish (messy and raking) indicate it was a catfish

the catfish that wade caught could easily weight 20 kg, more than twice the size of one we are using here

Did I say otherwise?

That's another giant snakehead.

small snakehead which was still capable of doing a similar level of damage compared to a catfish 10 times its size

And how do you know it was the same catfish that bit the bait? Furthermore, the snakehead bit off the tail (and nothing else) of the bass. The baitfish was ripped in two by the wallago.

They don't lay on the bottom of the lake flaring their gills to ambush prey, they hover in the water until something comes past.

that is still not proof that it was dead, half dead or incapable of fighting back. for all we know it might have been at the bottom because an aquarium is not familiar territory to it

Pike do not sit like that unless they are unwell. A scared pike (like one that was in an unfamiliar tank) would be sitting still in the water column at the opposite end from the snakeheads. Sitting on the tank floor with flared gills is a red flag for active aquatic species.

tells me to stop using forced perspective when I literally didn't>uses an image with forced perspectivebig kek

both fishes in both images are held in similar fashion and there is no noticable difference in robustness

Small giant snakehead vs large northern snakehead. Furthermore, the stoutness of the giant snakehead can clearly be seen in comparison to the longer northern snakehead. And no, the northern snakehead is being forced perspective'd. If you don't want me to use it (which I didn't) then don't do it yourself lol.

Images clearly show that the giant snakehead has larger teeth. as for skulls:

again, this is not proof, either give numbers or side by side comparison of both species skulls at parity or get out

I just did. And no, I am not getting out.

[kekistani]

Feb 18, 2020 21:04:35 GMT 5 velesoid said:

and even small sp. like c.striata has teeth just as large as the giant snakehead disregarding the size disparity

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKTfN5Ud3vs

And? That just means that C. Striata has more similar teeth to C. Micropeltes than it does C. Argus.

[velesoid]

Did I say otherwise?

you posted an irrelevant video then

And how do you know it was the same catfish that bit the bait? Furthermore, the snakehead bit off the tail (and nothing else) of the bass. The baitfish was ripped in two by the wallago.

it bit quite a bit more than just the tail but hey, if you feel reassurance in the fact a 10 times bigger catfish could do just a bit more damage than a snakehead this small, be my guest

Pike do not sit like that unless they are unwell. A scared pike (like one that was in an unfamiliar tank) would be sitting still in the water column at the opposite end from the snakeheads. Sitting on the tank floor with flared gills is a red flag for active aquatic species.

i mean, you actually have to prove all of this

Small giant snakehead vs large northern snakehead

both animals are similar in size hence why i said "at parity" multiple times. giant snakehead gets bigger at max sizes, no shit

Furthermore, the stoutness of the giant snakehead can clearly be seen in comparison to the longer northern snakehead.

i mean, that is your opinion, prove it

And no, the northern snakehead is being forced perspective'd. If you don't want me to use it (which I didn't) then don't do it yourself lol.

i mean, again, your opinion with no tangible evidence behind it

I just did

you did not, you posted a giant snakehead skull without doing the same for the northern one.

And? That just means that C. Striata has more similar teeth to C. Micropeltes than it does C. Argus

i mean, this is also a lot of bullshit
since c.argus has teeth just as big
www.flickr.com/photos/32499494@N05/12290117813

[kekistani]

Feb 18, 2020 21:46:45 GMT 5 velesoid said:

Did I say otherwise?

you posted an irrelevant video then

Nope. It served its purpose just fine.

And how do you know it was the same catfish that bit the bait? Furthermore, the snakehead bit off the tail (and nothing else) of the bass. The baitfish was ripped in two by the wallago.

it bit quite a bit more than just the tail but hey, if you feel reassurance in the fact a 10 times bigger catfish could do just a bit more damage than a snakehead this small, be my guest

Again, no it did not, and there is no confirmation that the wallago that bit the fish was the same one that was caught.

Pike do not sit like that unless they are unwell. A scared pike (like one that was in an unfamiliar tank) would be sitting still in the water column at the opposite end from the snakeheads. Sitting on the tank floor with flared gills is a red flag for active aquatic species.

i mean, you actually have to prove all of this

Why not look up pike behavior? Sitting on lakebeds is not normal behavior. Pike are active mid-topwater predators. It is on you to prove that the pike is perfectly fine. The behavior exhibited indicates a sick/injured fish.

Small giant snakehead vs large northern snakehead

both animals are similar in size hence why i said "at parity" multiple times. giant snakehead gets bigger at max sizes, no shit

They both get to similar lengths, but the giant snakehead is heavier due to how deep-bodied and stout it is.

Furthermore, the stoutness of the giant snakehead can clearly be seen in comparison to the longer northern snakehead.

i mean, that is your opinion, prove it

You can literally see that at parity (in your comparison) that the giant snakehead is much more thickly built.

And no, the northern snakehead is being forced perspective'd. If you don't want me to use it (which I didn't) then don't do it yourself lol.

i mean, again, your opinion with no tangible evidence behind it

Look at the guy's arms. The fish is being pushed toward the camera.If you cannot see that then that is your problem.

you did not, you posted a giant snakehead skull without doing the same for the northern one.

I posted the skulls of both fish.

And? That just means that C. Striata has more similar teeth to C. Micropeltes than it does C. Argus

i mean, this is also a lot of bullshit
since c.argus has teeth just as big
www.flickr.com/photos/32499494@N05/12290117813

Clearly shows smaller teeth. big kek.