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Post by Grey on Oct 22, 2013 7:59:14 GMT 5
A reliable scale comparison would not be a bad thing, if someone owns it.
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Post by creature386 on Oct 22, 2013 22:10:36 GMT 5
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Post by Grey on Oct 23, 2013 3:55:14 GMT 5
10 tonnes represent the maximum weight for the species, but this does not represent what I would call a freak individual.
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Post by theropod on Oct 23, 2013 17:41:27 GMT 5
How much of a freak the maximum weight is depends on the sample size. But 10t orcas, while frequently cited, appear to be extremely rare.
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Post by creature386 on Oct 23, 2013 18:01:47 GMT 5
The point was about bulk. If an 8 m/8 t orca is scaled to 10 m, it will weigh like 16 t.
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Post by theropod on Oct 23, 2013 18:07:45 GMT 5
Yeah. Where was the 9.8m/10t orca actually reported? Was it really weighed and measured or just guesstimates like we see with some behemoth sharks?
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Post by coherentsheaf on Oct 24, 2013 14:16:56 GMT 5
Did he have any source for this? |
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Post by creature386 on Oct 24, 2013 18:09:27 GMT 5
Given that the weights in the link I posted above are a proportionally higher too, it doesn't sound unlikely.
Unfortunately, I can't ask him for a source now, because he is inactive.
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Post by Grey on Oct 24, 2013 19:14:47 GMT 5
Anyway, Kronosaurus is bigger, but not much bigger. Both are in the same category/league.
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Post by elosha11 on Oct 24, 2013 22:30:18 GMT 5
An 8 meter bull orca would be well above average, as would 8 tons. Probably bull orcas, in most subspecies average 6.5 to 7 meters and 5-6 tons. Still an incredibly bulky and powerful animal for its size.
Kronosaurus, however, is too large. Orcas are very maneuverable and smart. I don't completely discount intelligence advantages in a interspecific conflict. If the orca was able to ram Kronosaurus from below or the side, it could potentially do serious damage to the large animal. However, Kronosaurus was likely also very maneuverable and fast with its four large paddles. The orca might still have an endurance advantage on the reptile, but that would be negated by the Kronosaurus' larger size, and more powerful biting apparatus (not that the orca's jaws are aren't also formidable).
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Post by creature386 on Oct 24, 2013 23:07:26 GMT 5
An 8 meter bull orca would be well above average, as would 8 tons. Probably bull orcas, in most subspecies average 6.5 to 7 meters and 5-6 tons. Still an incredibly bulky and powerful animal for its size. Are you sure? Because my source ( www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-304-01-0001.pdf ) said 8,2 m is the average for a bull orca. Coherentsheaf's source hasn't specified gender/age. |
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Post by theropod on Oct 25, 2013 0:10:30 GMT 5
Isn't this about the whole species anyway?
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Post by creature386 on Oct 25, 2013 0:34:02 GMT 5
Yeah, but elosha was talking about bull orcas in his post.
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Post by theropod on Oct 25, 2013 1:28:01 GMT 5
I mean, the relevant figure is the average for orcas in general, not just bulls, since we don't segregate male and female Kronosaurus either.
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Post by creature386 on Oct 25, 2013 1:29:36 GMT 5
The figure didn't respect the age either (even female orcas average more like 7 m).
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