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Post by creature386 on Jul 19, 2016 23:57:36 GMT 5
It indeed survived all tests to date.
For the simple reason that it is not testable (a Kraken could have arranged them in any way)!
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Post by theropod on Jul 20, 2016 0:26:27 GMT 5
^That’s what makes it so funny.
But admittedly there are a few somewhat more substantial things in the paper than there were before. Perhaps even something we could actually call trace fossils, even though it’s nowhere near clear what really made them. Still funny though, how that guy jumps at every possible oppurtunity to make up literally anything he can find no evidence against (shonisaurs having rudimentary echolocation?).
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Post by Grey on Jul 20, 2016 2:23:37 GMT 5
Is this work peer reviewed anyway?
Note that he becomes more conservative the size of his hypothetical Kraken.
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Post by theropod on Jul 20, 2016 2:42:08 GMT 5
Well, you posted it, where did you get it from?
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Post by creature386 on Jul 20, 2016 2:45:33 GMT 5
I for some reason cannot open it, it loads eternally.
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Post by theropod on Jul 20, 2016 2:46:59 GMT 5
Happened to me too, but it worked the next time I tried it. But I’ll just send it to you.
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Post by creature386 on Jul 20, 2016 2:48:35 GMT 5
No need to do so, just downloaded it.
Thanks nonetheless.
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Post by Grey on Jul 20, 2016 3:05:34 GMT 5
It's from his book, Dynamic Paleontology, 2016. I assume it's merely a personnal work. Not sure it would pass review.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 21:13:55 GMT 5
Is this work peer reviewed anyway? Note that he becomes more conservative the size of his hypothetical Kraken. I don't think it's even possible to be "conservative" here, since the triassic kraken is a fictional creature that exists only in McMenamin's head. |
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Post by Grey on Jul 20, 2016 22:07:34 GMT 5
Is this work peer reviewed anyway? Note that he becomes more conservative the size of his hypothetical Kraken. I don't think it's even possible to be "conservative" here, since the triassic kraken is a fictional creature that exists only in McMenamin's head. And in Max Hawthorne's mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 22:35:51 GMT 5
I don't think it's even possible to be "conservative" here, since the triassic kraken is a fictional creature that exists only in McMenamin's head. And in Max Hawthorne's mind. Nah, that's the realm of the Balaenoptera musculus-sized megalodon-eating uber pliosaurids. |
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Post by Derdadort on Jul 30, 2016 17:32:38 GMT 5
Funnily enough, I'm also currently working on the depositional conditions of a disarticulated marine reptile. Instead of environmental causes I'm also favouring a biological reason (scavengers). However, my fossil is several times smaller than Shonisaurus, but hey there are also some belemnites preserved along the skeleton. Maybe they were attacking it?  Yeah, pack-hunting raptor-belemnites, now it all makes sense!!!1!1! |
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Post by jhg on Sept 27, 2016 3:09:04 GMT 5
Fake of course!
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Post by theropod on Jun 13, 2018 17:04:58 GMT 5
We had a short discussion about this in our research group today; it should come as no surprise that we all had a good laugh.
Some more points; from what we know, triassic cephalopods had hooklets rather than suckers, so ichthyosaur vertebrae would be a poor representation (though admittedly we can’t be certain since suckers aren’t exactly easily preserved). Also, any giant cephalopod would have had to wait for decomposition to strip the bones of flesh before it could even attempt making any "self-portraits". That would imply potentially months or years of waiting for the remaining flesh to naturally decompose and then returning to the scene just to lay out the centra in patterns…
And what’s most interesting is that there are also ichthyosaur specimens from the alps whose vertebrae are arranged in a similar pattern. So there may well be something interesting going on here, but it is not a giant squid.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jun 13, 2018 17:15:08 GMT 5
Interesting. Do we have preserved hooklets or any anatomical indicators thereof from them (I don't know if they're just made of keratin or something else that preserves better)?
Obviously the Triassic Kraken is nonsensical.
Btw, welcome back! At least, for the time being.
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