|
Post by Grey on Oct 18, 2013 20:36:58 GMT 5
Man, I've stopped to read you since a while. Your posts are incredibly boring and pure sophism. 99% of your posts are composed of pure enthusiastic speculations, often baseless, too much simplifed or too much complicated. When I discuss something, I like to get pleasure reading counter arguments. With you that's very rarely the case.
Maybe I'm too rude with you, that's possible, but you have such a history to think you're the owner of the truth, at all the time challenging even the most professionnal datas, at making up datas, at speculating over and over, there's no hope anymore I give credential to your posts. I'm conservative and rationnal, I try to be cautious and reasonnable, I make my possible to get authentified stuff, hence my numerous communications with paleontologists. You just don't like this, you want to establish facts from nothing.
So don't waste your time to write, I barely read your posts since a while.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 20:38:07 GMT 5
And here we go again.
This is one of the reasons I favor a discussion about dinocephalians over one that involves theropods.
|
|
|
Post by theropod on Oct 18, 2013 20:43:09 GMT 5
Man, I've stopped to read you since a while. Your posts are incredibly boring and pure sophism. I've already told you that I don't like your manner to approach paleontological datas. 99% of your posts are composed of pure enthusiastic speculations, often baseless, too much simplifed or too much complicated. That's a pain in the ass to read you. When I discuss something, I like to get pleasure reading counter arguments. With you that's very rarely the case. Maybe I'm too rude with you, that's possible, but you have such a history to think you're the owner of the truth, at all the time challenging even the most professionnal datas, at making up datas, at speculating over and over, there's no hope anymore I give credential to your posts. I'm conservative and rationnal, I try to be cautious and reasonnable, I make my possible to get authentified stuff, hence my numerous communications with paleontologists. You just don't like this, you want to establish facts from nothing. So don't waste your time to write, I barely read your posts since a while. How can you even know that stuff about my posts, since you don't read them? Do you now understand what I mean with "arrogant"? Do you think I have pleasure discussing with you? You see, unlike you I am fully capable of leaving a civil response to something you post. You can have a look at my initial responses to stuff you are posting (no matter what I think about it) and look how many of them contain ad hominem attacks, and then do the same with your follow-up comments and then compare that. If you have no interest in discussing with me, don't do in the first place, I don't force you to do so, and I'd be happy. But somehow, every single time I leave some comment not in strict agreement with what you want to make me believe, you respond, from that I can conclude you actually want to debate with me, no matter what you claim yourself, and if it only is to always have the last word. And your responses ALWAYS contain unobjective, non-subject-related attacks. Just cut it out, ok? You either discuss with me properly (yes, this does involve reading my posts and considering my arguments) and in a civilised way, or you don't do at all.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 20:45:19 GMT 5
Seriously, theropod-related discussions seem to always have members going at each other's throats...
|
|
|
Post by theropod on Oct 18, 2013 20:46:20 GMT 5
You've got a point, and if it is about integument ;D
|
|
|
Post by Grey on Oct 18, 2013 20:51:10 GMT 5
]How can you even know that stuff about my posts, since you don't read them? Do you now understand what I mean with "arrogant"? Do you think I have pleasure discussing with you? I was talking about your very last posts, and the longest ones. I typically know the structure of your posts since a while and dislike to read them. I have no problem if you have no pleasure reading me. You don't even have consideration for the numerous informations I've posted from private discussions with authors, systematic challenging them. So for a so poor valuable member, I cannot care less if you don't like read me. In fact, I prefer that, the less I discuss with you, the better I am.
|
|
|
Post by theropod on Oct 18, 2013 20:54:04 GMT 5
]How can you even know that stuff about my posts, since you don't read them? Do you now understand what I mean with "arrogant"? Do you think I have pleasure discussing with you? I was talking about your very last posts, and the longest ones. I typically know the structure of your posts since a while and dislike to read them. Ever considered you don't know my posts at all and just imagine it? Then stop crying about how much you dislike reading me, do you think I care? Haha, very funny. Or do you really have such extreme difficulties understanding simple terms such as "consider" (or "sample", or "probability")? That I challenge them on several occasions means I consider them, I engage them with arguments, for or against the points they make. as opposed to that, when you respond to me (good example of someone who doesn't and doesn't try to understand what I write, but responds and challenges them systematically nevertheless!), you engage them with insults against myself, and sometimes wrong claims that prove you spend zero time thinking about the topic.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 21:06:38 GMT 5
And the battle rages on...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 21:22:53 GMT 5
And there might be a film about this battle someday, with your text as the narration!!! A trilogy even! Theropod vs Grey: The Beginning of the War Theropod vs Grey II: The Carnivoraforum Saga Theropod vs Grey III: The Unrelenting War
|
|
|
Post by Grey on Oct 18, 2013 21:40:36 GMT 5
No I don't imagine that, I'm not paranoid as I'm only that rude with you. I know perfectly your posts and your manner to act, what do you want to establish. Enthusiastic speculator is a perfect status for you.
Given that you still post loooong and boooring responses even when I want to put an end to a discussion, yes, I think you care. And at a time you wanted to absolutely not convince me but convert me to your belief. On carnivora you acted like if I was some poorly knowledgeable guy, wanting to make me believe one of your fantasies about 250 tonnes sauropods or so. You had forgotten I was the one who entered your forum, learning you that the 30 m Aramberri pliosaur was a myth. No wonder, you did not want believe it. You never want to accept facts that does not enter your agenda.
Haha, very funny.
Or do you really have such extreme difficulties understanding simple terms such as "consider" (or "sample", or "probability")? That I challenge them on several occasions means I consider them, I engage them with arguments, for or against the points they make. When you respond to me, you engage them with insults against myself, and sometimes wrong claims that prove you have not understood or tried to understand my post.
No, you don't debatte, you act like if anything from these guys was without a doubt erroneous, flawed, wrong. Remember McHenry... You're a joke, a speculator of fanboy of your own so called paleo-knowledge.
|
|
Fragillimus335
Member
Sauropod fanatic, and dinosaur specialist
Posts: 573
|
Post by Fragillimus335 on Oct 18, 2013 21:43:11 GMT 5
Theropod vs Grey IV: Theropod is Right
There is no getting around it, STATISTICALLY we will find Spinosaurus and Giganotosaurus specimens larger than any current one, and likely larger than Tyrannosaurus. Believing anything otherwise is mathematically unadvisable.
|
|
|
Post by creature386 on Oct 18, 2013 21:50:09 GMT 5
And there might be a film about this battle someday, with your text as the narration!!! A trilogy even! Theropod vs Grey: The Beginning of the War Theropod vs Grey II: The Carnivoraforum Saga Theropod vs Grey III: The Unrelenting War Here the dates for you: I. January to April, 2012 (before theropod joined CF) II. April to August 2012 (since then it got a bit more peaceful) III. I think the debates began in March 2013 and are still going on. Regarding the recent debates, I may have to do it like Life once did and delete some insults, because it is becoming way too rude.
|
|
|
Post by theropod on Oct 18, 2013 23:44:54 GMT 5
Please do! Grey: That's exactly the point, regarding me, you absolutely are. Regarding "long and boring responses", what do you think you are writing? Short and thrilling ones, so thrilling you can watch over a hundred reruns each ? I don't care what you think about me. All I want you to do is contain yourself in public. I've got the right to expect someone, who is so convinced of his own maturity as you are, to at least retain a little objectivity and professionality when discussing. It is a very rare incident for one of your posts to be contain over 20% of non-personal-attack, get what I mean? And it really doesn't interest me whether or not you consider it a completely valid excuse that you are simply a bit "overly rude". A certain degree of civil behaviour can be expected from an adult person, and I know nobody outside youtube who is even close to behaving like you always do when you "debate" with me. And you do not behave this way with other people, not even those you very strongly expressed you disliked, not even when they argue the same thing I argue. That's not a sign of not "being paranoid" regarding me, it is the absolute opposite. Even after such a long time, your responses still mainly consist of provocations and flatout wrong and insulting claims, completely beside the topic. This is not about my person, so learn to swallow your personal problems with me! Are you capable of this or not?
|
|
|
Post by Grey on Oct 19, 2013 0:01:25 GMT 5
Theropod vs Grey IV: Theropod is Right There is no getting around it, STATISTICALLY we will find Spinosaurus and Giganotosaurus specimens larger than any current one, and likely larger than Tyrannosaurus. Believing anything otherwise is mathematically unadvisable. That's not maths, that's speculation. We are going to find larger Giga or Spino but nothing says that these specimens we already have are not fully grown (like suggested by theropod who started like a fanboy to suggest with certainty these specimens are not fully grown) or quite large. You're just too much enthusiastic. What happens in the case of T. rex is not necessary true for others cases. That's a matter of cautiousness. You fully know that paleontologists don't interpret that kind of matter like that so why you have to do ? You have to understand then why I sometimes question your objectivity, especially with your respective history, very enthusiastic with large theropods except for T. rex. Once we have datas about the life stage of these individuals, you can start make that kind suggestions, but not now.
|
|
stomatopod
Junior Member
Gluttonous Auchenipterid
Posts: 182
|
Post by stomatopod on Oct 19, 2013 0:45:59 GMT 5
Theropod vs Grey IV: Theropod is Right There is no getting around it, STATISTICALLY we will find Spinosaurus and Giganotosaurus specimens larger than any current one, and likely larger than Tyrannosaurus. Believing anything otherwise is mathematically unadvisable. No, we do not know whar we will find. For example, the holotype of T. rex is on the larger side. We can only use the largest known specime to establish a the lower treshold for maximum size, everything else is hogwash. Let say we are licky anf in 50 years we have 10 specimens that are complete enough to assign a somewhat precise size to them. The propability ingnoring any possible biases, which ceratinly do exist, Sue and Scotty are among the largest and most complete...) . The propability for any of those to be the biggest is the same, 10 percent (ignroring that some specimen might have been of the same size). Now you might say, there is a 90 percent chance that there is a bigger one. But you can pick any random speculative specimen and say the same. Even if if there is a bigger one, how much bigger is it? 2 % percent in linear dimensions? 4 percent(roughly the difference between Sue and the holotype)? Give that the sample is finite and most likely very small, a specimen greatly deviating from what we have now is unlikely. Theropod, my point is that we should not compare them at all, as we do not knwo the life history of Giganotosaurus. This is not about being "fair", but about working scientific, it is okay to say "we currently do not know". Everything else is speculation/fortune telling. We know from the growth curve of T.rex that Sue was nothing special for her age, and nearly nothing about the holotype of Giganotosaurus.
|
|