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Post by Grey on Jul 12, 2013 6:18:48 GMT 5
You should do a version with Deinonychus which is the real "Velociraptor" in what most people imagine ! The raptor sounds too small however, even less long than the boxy skull of Rex.
As well, picturing the reconstructions by Hartman of all the critters featured in the JP movie series as these are the dinosaurs that have been popularized to the public. Only with the actual and most accurate structures made by Hartman.
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Post by creature386 on Jul 12, 2013 15:30:51 GMT 5
It isn't really less long, it only looks shorter, because of it's long tail.
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Post by theropod on Jul 12, 2013 18:45:23 GMT 5
It looks small, but it really was that tiny. It isn't actually shorter than T. rex' skull, it just looks so small because only a fraction of its lenght is actually body.
Velociraptor is turkey-sized. I think it is good to bring that to the public's attention.
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Post by creature386 on Jul 12, 2013 19:10:16 GMT 5
When comparing it to the skull of Spinosaurus (which is probably the 2 m one), you see that it's length is about right.
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Post by Grey on Jul 13, 2013 0:28:09 GMT 5
When comparing it to the skull of Spinosaurus (which is probably the 2 m one), you see that it's length is about right. If this Hartman measurements and reconstructions like fragillimus indicated, the skull is not 2 m long. Or the raptor itself is not 2 m long. |
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Post by theropod on Jul 13, 2013 1:38:39 GMT 5
Hartman's spino skull seems to be about 1,9m in its biggest dimension, so that Velociraptor fits perfectly. Also consider that the animal would be a bit shorter in life than the 2m which is axial lenght.
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Post by Grey on Jul 13, 2013 1:40:02 GMT 5
Hartman Spino skull is 1.63 m, not 1.90 m.
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Post by creature386 on Jul 13, 2013 1:44:29 GMT 5
When comparing it to the skull of Spinosaurus (which is probably the 2 m one), you see that it's length is about right. If this Hartman measurements and reconstructions like fragillimus indicated, the skull is not 2 m long. Or the raptor itself is not 2 m long. Maybe he took his own 1,94 m calculation. |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jul 13, 2013 2:31:25 GMT 5
Hartman Spino skull is 1.63 m, not 1.90 m. Not in the longest dimension. To the back of the sagittal crest it is ~190cm. |
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Post by Grey on Jul 13, 2013 2:32:28 GMT 5
Where Hartman says that the longest dimensions of its skull is 190 cm ?
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Post by theropod on Jul 13, 2013 2:33:56 GMT 5
His Spinosaurus skull is roughly 1,8m long Pmx-Sq, and about 1,9m Pmx-So. the other figure is lenght to the quadrate, which happens to face anteriorly in spinosaurine spinosaurs...
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Post by theropod on Jul 13, 2013 2:34:31 GMT 5
You can measure it, you saw my chart. You even liked the post.
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Post by Grey on Jul 13, 2013 2:35:03 GMT 5
So fragillimus enlarged Spino's size/skull because nowhere I've read Hartman saying that the total length of its skull is 190 cm.
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Post by theropod on Jul 13, 2013 2:44:25 GMT 5
Fragillimus has nothing to do with this, I took hartmans skeletal diagram, imported the head into gimp and superimposed both Dal Sasso's drawing and the original fossil photograph on it:  And why has the skull to be enlarged because Hartman didn't state the measurement? |
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Post by Grey on Jul 13, 2013 4:11:35 GMT 5
Asked to Hartman linking the page :
That's ~1.65 on the type
If you go with more of a strict Irritator-like it's more like 158.
The giant MSMN one is ~180 at the high end, closer to 170 with a strict irritator-like back end.
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