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Post by theropod on Jun 21, 2013 17:34:43 GMT 5
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Post by creature386 on Jun 21, 2013 17:44:00 GMT 5
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Post by Grey on Jun 21, 2013 23:11:16 GMT 5
Assessing Alamosaurus Today let's look at another one of our thundering giants, Alamosaurus sanjuanensis. Alamosaurus is known from quite good remains (for a titanosaur), and some fragmentary remains may be close to the largest known dinosaur. How certain is this reconstruction? Much better than Puertasaurus, but there are still a couple of layers of inference needed to get there. Until recently Alamosaurus remains were all from varying sizes of subadults and juveniles. Since no one specimen is complete, it also requires a lot of cross-scaling. How to best cross-scale Alamosaurus is in and of itself something of a debate. A lot of the material has only been described in graduate theses or is referred to without being figured in scientific papers, so the choice is whether to believe those numbers or pursue a scaling closer to that of Opisthocoelicaudia, a titanosaur that is often recovered as a close relative of Alamosaurus. I am more closely following the traditional limb proportions for Alamosaurus for a couple of reasons. For starters I see little reason to doubt that the authors involved measured the specimens correctly, and if they did then I think they chose well when cross-scaling elements. Second, while I'm not involved enough with researching titanosaur family tree positions to take issue with aligning Alamosaurus with Opisthocoelicaudia, I do wonder how representative it is of the group, as in many ways it's just a bizarre titanosaur. Cross-scaling assumptions in hand, cobbling the specimens together yields a skeleton that is known from good material almost everywhere except the skull, which results in the skeletal you see on the right. The last few years the Perot Museum of Nature and Science has been working on a very large specimen, that included an almost complete neck. Working from photos of the neck I was able to create the skeletal that I'm using in the poster and sauropod skeletal gallery. The neck seems to get more robust with age, which is interesting but perhaps not terribly surprising. There may be more of the PMNS skeleton preserved, but it has not been formally written up yet, so I'm only showing the bones that I was able to use. Finally, there's the incomplete tibia from Mexico described in 2006. It's truly a monster in size - even a conservative estimate yields a length of 165 cm - that's a shin bone that is almost as tall as I am! Assuming that this really is Alamosaurus, scaling up the adult specimen results in an animals that could have stretched 28-30 meters, and tipped the scales with the likes of Argentinosaurus and Puertasaurus. Now that's a thunder lizard! References: Rivera-Sylva, Guzman-Guitierrez, & Palomino-Sanchez, 2006. Preliminary Report on a vertebrate fossil assemblage from the Late Cretaceous of Chihuahua, Mexico. Hantkeniana 5. Lehman and Coulson, 2002. A juvenile specimen of the sauropod dinosaur Alamosaurus sanjuanensis from the Upper Cretaceous of Big Bend National Park, Texas. Journal of Paleontology 76: 156–172.
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Post by creature386 on Jun 21, 2013 23:47:05 GMT 5
Dal Sasso's theropod comparison (on the right side):  FIGURE 5. A, explanatory sketch showing on which material the skull reconstruction here proposed is based. The snout and the crested nasals (photos) pertain respectively to MSNM V4047 and UCPC-2, the dentary (black) is based on the holotype of Spinosaurus aegyptiacus, and the remaining parts of the skull (grey) are modified from Irritator. For more details see the text. B, reconstruction of the skull of Spinosaurus cf. S. aegyptiacus. With an estimated skull length of 175 cm, it represents the largest known spinosaurid skull and one of the largest theropod skulls. Scale bar equals 20 cm. C, estimated size of MSNM V4047 (body length about 17 m) compared, from left to right, with Homo sapiens and the largest known individuals of Giganotosaurus (Calvo and Coria, 2000), Tyrannosaurus (Brochu, 2003) and Suchomimus (Sereno et al., 1998). Scale bar equals 2 m.reocities.com/Athens/bridge/4602/spinoskull.pdf |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2013 23:22:32 GMT 5
Allosaurus fragilis size comparison  References: Theropod databaseUUVP 6000 - complete skull (845 mm)
AMNH 680 - femur (1.008 m)
AMNH 5767 - coracoid (328 mm long) |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jun 23, 2013 3:57:16 GMT 5
 Spinosaurus and an M4 Sherman! |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jun 23, 2013 4:01:04 GMT 5
Modern large land mammals and a large specimen of Apatosaurus.  |
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Post by coherentsheaf on Jun 23, 2013 4:39:17 GMT 5
Modern large land mammals and a large specimen of Apatosaurus. Is this the Ocklahoma specimen? |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jun 23, 2013 22:16:01 GMT 5
Modern large land mammals and a large specimen of Apatosaurus. Is this the Ocklahoma specimen? Something in that size range... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 13:02:19 GMT 5
Fragillimus335, you seem to have used Scott Hartman's skeletal, I recommend using his most recent versions of Apatosaurus.
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jun 27, 2013 5:39:01 GMT 5
Fragillimus335, you seem to have used Scott Hartman's skeletal, I recommend using his most recent versions of Apatosaurus. I was never really a fan of his updated poses for sauropods...they just look less graceful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2013 5:42:43 GMT 5
Fragillimus335, you seem to have used Scott Hartman's skeletal, I recommend using his most recent versions of Apatosaurus. I was never really a fan of his updated poses for sauropods...they just look less graceful. Yeah, but at least they are better representative of healthy animals. With my skill at photoshop, reposing isn't such a big deal to me. Maybe you could do with your sauropods the same thing you did to your Spinosaurus: adding more flesh |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jun 27, 2013 5:44:04 GMT 5
Largest Paraceratherium specimen with white rhino.  |
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Post by Fragillimus335 on Jun 27, 2013 5:48:50 GMT 5
 Brachiosaur parade: Nima Sassani |
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Post by Grey on Jun 27, 2013 7:11:56 GMT 5
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