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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 3, 2014 1:53:54 GMT 5
Spanish Fighting Bull
 The Spanish Fighting Bull (Toro Bravo, toro de lidia, toro lidiado, ganado bravo, Touro de Lide) is an Iberian cattle breed. It is primarily bred free-range on extensive estates in Southern Spain, Portugal and Latin American countries where bull fighting is organized. Fighting bulls are selected primarily for a certain combination of aggression, energy, strength, stamina and lack of intelligence: a bull intelligent enough to distinguish man from cape would be too dangerous. The fighting bull is characterized by its aggressive behaviour, especially when solitary or unable to flee. Many are coloured black or dark brown, but other colorations are normal. They reach maturity slower than meat breeds as they were not selected to be heavy, having instead an well-muscled "athletic" look, with a prominent morillo, a complex of muscles over the shoulder and neck which gives the bull its distinctive profile and strength with its horns. The horns are longer than in most other breeds and are also present in both males and females . Mature bulls weigh from 500 to 700 kg (1100-1600 lb). Bengal Tiger
 The Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) is a tiger subspecies native to the Indian subcontinent that in 2010 has been classified as endangered by IUCN. The total population is estimated at fewer than 2,500 individuals with a decreasing trend, and none of the Tiger Conservation Landscapes within the Bengal tiger's range is large enough to support an effective population size of 250 adult individuals. The Bengal tiger is the most numerous tiger subspecies with populations estimated at 1,520–1,909 in India, 440 in Bangladesh, 124–229 in Nepal and 67–81 in Bhutan. Bengal is traditionally fixed as the typical locality for the binomial Panthera tigris, to which the British taxonomist Reginald Innes Pocock subordinated the Bengal tiger in 1929 under the trinomial Panthera tigris tigris.[Bengal Tigers are fully grown at 2-3 years of age. Male reach weights of 200-230 kilograms and up to three metres in length. The females are 130-170 kilograms and up to 2.5 meters long. They have stripes all over their body. Their stripes are like fingerprints. No two are the same. The stripes are not only in the tigers fur, but are a pigmentation of the skin. They have a white spot on the back of their ears, which looks like eyes.
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Post by Runic on Mar 3, 2014 2:07:16 GMT 5
I don't see a tiger taking down one of these. The bull could literally throw it around easier than a guar would.
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 3, 2014 2:10:26 GMT 5
A Gaur can weigh over 1000 kg, double the weight and much stronger than any Fighting Bull. Still, there are records of Tigers taking down bull Gaur - including several > 1 tonne specimens.
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Post by Runic on Mar 3, 2014 2:38:28 GMT 5
A Gaur can weigh over 1000 kg, double the weight and much stronger than any Fighting Bull. Still, there are records of Tigers taking down bull Gaur - including several > 1 tonne specimens. Yea doesn't compare. A spanish bull is more formidable to a tiger than a gaur despite the weight defect. These things were bred to kill m.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRL4PzxswA |
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 3, 2014 2:42:34 GMT 5
Are you suggesting that a Gaur can't flip a car?  A Gaur is twice the weight of a Bull, and have you ever seen those shoulders?   Any animal that can kill a Gaur can kill a domestic Bull. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 3, 2014 2:46:09 GMT 5
Runic, check this out - the average weight of tiger prey in Nagarahole was 401 kg (comparable to the size of a moderate fighting bull) - and the sample included the killing of several gaur above 1000 kg.   |
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Post by Runic on Mar 3, 2014 3:13:18 GMT 5
Are you suggesting that a Gaur can't flip a car? A Gaur is twice the weight of a Bull, and have you ever seen those shoulders? Any animal that can kill a Gaur can kill a domestic Bull. No, what I'm saying is a spanish bull is more dangerous than a gaur despite its smaller size. A 1, 000lb bull can flip a 1-2 ton car like a leggo and is highly explosive and powerful while a 1, 000lb gaur is easy pickings for a tiger. See the correlation? Also notice the horn placement. Gaur must lower their face to the ground to use theirs which limits their vision while bulls have theirs pointed parallel to their eyes giving them full sight and everything. In short a 1, 000lb bull is about just as dangerous if not moreso than a MUCH larger gaur with added agility aggression and recklessnes. You can show tiger taking the odd bull gaur all you want but in reality the two don't compare. If Spanish Bulls reached Gaur sizes and they lived together money would be bet the Spanish Bull would be the dominant one. And you're using the flawed prey size argument. Which is frankly stupid because judging by that then anything that can kill a bison can kill a Black Caiman. |
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 3, 2014 3:21:28 GMT 5
The aggression of a gaur in dire situations is underestimated. You do make a good point about horn placement though. Hadn't noticed that until now.
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Post by Runic on Mar 3, 2014 3:34:41 GMT 5
I didn't say they weren't aggressive in a dire situation just that they aren't as formidable as most think with their horns.
For the record I don't think the bull will annihilate the tiger. I just think it'll win at least 6/10
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 3, 2014 22:19:50 GMT 5
After reading this story, I definitely fancy the tigers chances.  The buffalo vs. bull fight By Nancy Johnson For the Deming Headlight It all started late one night after Christmas, 1906, with a drunken conversation in a Pierre, South Dakota bar. Three old friends were discussing buffalo which led to buffalo bulls which led to a question. "Could a buffalo bull beat a Longhorn bull?" which led to, "Could a buffalo bull beat a Mexican fighting bull?" Shortly afterward the men departed for their respective homes. The question persisted when each awoke the next morning. A few days later one sent a telegram to a friend who owned the Coney Island Bar in El Paso, which everyone knew was right across the border from Ju‡rez, home of a fine bull ring. The El Pasoan spoke to Robert Felix, a matador and manager of the Ju‡rez Bullring and they cut a deal. There was a raging blizzard on Jan. 7, 1907, when two buffalo bulls, an old one and a 4-year-old, were put aboard a reinforced boxcar for their trip to El Paso. The three men rode in the caboose. There were posters all over El Paso and Ju‡rez announcing the event, scheduled for Jan. 14. A buffalo bull versus a proud Mexican bull whose breeding for many generations had but one purpose in mind: Fight with pride to the death. There were four fights between bulls to warm up the crowd. During the long wait to see the buffalo, many people became restive, certain the gringos had lost their nerve. When the door to the arena opened the old buffalo bull limped out to the center of the ring and stood there, his head bowed probably in pain. The fetlock of his left hind leg had been injured during the train ride. The crowd politely applauded. The door opened again and a Mexican fighting bull rushed out ready for battle. Seeing a strange animal in the center of the ring, he pawed the ground, snorted a few times, then charged. The buffalo never moved. His body was at a quartering angle to the bull. Cattle pivot on their hind legs. Few know a buffalo pivots on his forelegs. At the moment of contact the buffalo's hindquarters miraculously disappeared as he met the bull's charge head to head with a crack heard throughout the arena. Again the bull charged and this time the buffalo realized the pest meant business so he put a little more force into defense knocking the bull on his haunches. When the bull charged a third time the exasperated buffalo met him head to head. The bull collapsed then rose to his feet and staggered to the ringside barrier looking for escape. Robert Felix demanded another chance. There had, after all been no real fight. A second bull was brought in. He too charged three times before running off to the barrier searching for escape. A third bull met the same fate. Now three prize Mexican bulls frightened into submission were circling the ring. The 'Pride of Pierre' had lost all interest in the game. He laid down where he'd stood since walking into the arena and took a nap. The crowd went wild cheering and clapping for the bored buffalo. After a long wait a fourth bull was brought in. This time the buffalo, his nap interrupted, was really aggravated. Before the bull could even charge, the old buffalo began chasing him and the other three bulls around the arena. He couldn't catch them because of his injured fetlock but finally sympathetic workers opened the gate so the bulls could escape from the now very angry buffalo. At the end of the day the question remained. "Could a buffalo bull beat a Mexican fighting bull?" North of the border the answer was a resounding 'yes.' South of the border the answer was 'quien sabe.' After all, there had been no real fight. Nancy Johnson is a local columnist. Her column appears in the Deming Headlight on Wednesday. elpasotimes.typepad.com/morgue/the-buffalo-vs-bull-fight.htmlwww.southdakotamagazine.com/buffalo-vs-bullThis was a great example of wild bovine's superiority against domestic bulls. A tired bison fought three fighting bulls into submission - and India gaur are even bigger than America bison. A Bengal tiger has a damn good chance of killing this domestic bull. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 1:36:48 GMT 5
Mismatch, the bull wins this with ease. Way bigger, much stronger and horns with it. The tiger will get quickly thrown off and killed. Bulls can lift up fuggin' cars like they are nothing and they beat many animals that are around the bengal tiger's size in fights.
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 4, 2014 2:05:50 GMT 5
Mismatch, the bull wins this with ease. Really? Why? The Gaur is even bigger and stronger than a Bull - also has horns - yet they are still killed by Tigers. Tigers are much faster than any bovine - and quite durable too. That won't help it in a fight against an animal evolved to kill bovines like itself. And Tigers have been known to kill animals twice the size of Gaurs. |
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Post by Apex on Mar 4, 2014 2:12:13 GMT 5
tigers kill gaur by ambush key word so yeah they know how to kill a bovine by surprise but head to head in the open is a different story
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Post by Runic on Mar 4, 2014 2:22:23 GMT 5
Vodmeister of course a larger buffalo will beat a bull. My point was that for their size a bulls more dangerous than a gaur
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Post by Vodmeister on Mar 4, 2014 2:39:46 GMT 5
tigers kill gaur by ambush key word so yeah they know how to kill a bovine by surprise but head to head in the open is a different story Note the shoulders of a Gaur. Do you really think that the tiger's usual trick (a quick neck bite) would work? Most Tiger-Gaur confrontations are violent struggles rather than fast ambush kills. Even if the Tiger gets the advantage of the element of surprise, the physical struggle against a 1,000 kg bovine is still inevitable. |
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