Feminism Thread

[malikc6]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520620/University-student-threatened-removed-meeting-violated-safe-space-rules-putting-hand-up.html

[creature386]

Here's the most paranoid, delusional and insane piece of radical-feminist perversities I have read since quite a while:
translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.de%2Fmira-sigel%2Flinke-sexismus-feministin_b_13948752.html&edit-text=&act=url
Let's look at some parts of that very long text:

"This world is not "suffering" of capitalism, or of right-wing_populism or terror, it suffers from male violence directed against everything, nature, society, women, freedom. As long as there is patriarchy, there is no freedom, as long as there can be only privileges for individual groups determined by men.

These privileged groups also include, and especially, left-wing men.

Let's not talk about racism. Let us talk about gender and misogyny, about the rape culture and the murdered and raped women of the past year, the last millennia, let us talk about male violence and who is waging the wars we suffer from, and let us talk about the sexism and the misogyny of the left-wing men, in the parties and outside, who would rather protect the least among them than a single woman from an attack.

In short, ignore all problems, men are the only problem that exists and cause all the problems in the word.

The left is not as obsessed with the childbearing ability of women as the right, they are concerned with the free availability of sex, which for them is part of an antimaterialist vision. Just as they reject the claim of the capitalists for private property, they reject the fact that women regard their bodies as property and thus follow the original patriarchal formula: women's bodies are things and with them can be treated as with things.

No matter what political orientation men have, they are always intrinsically evil. They are YOUR enemies, women! Go and fight them!

If left men defend other men from racism, they actually defend themselves and their convictions, their understanding of freedom.

Whoever is against racism is an evil sexist.

Feminism does not require any legitimation by men

Needs no explanation.

You find war and environmental destruction bad, but do not want to talk about who wages these wars and who destroys this environment, you want to keep your role, the role of men out of the analysis, to preserve your privileges? Then you can not be so serious with saving the world.

Men take 100% of the responsibility for the destruction of the environment and wars.

Recently I read a newspaper. Accordingly, the FAO, the Food and Agriculture Organization, a study published that showed that if women in rural areas have the same opportunities as men, 150 million people would suffer less hungry world. Why? Because women use the money better and operate more successfully.

Women are just morally and intellectually superior to men.

Whoever wants to save the world must cease to be left and begin to become a feminist.

With us or against us.

[Venomous Dragon]

Their rhetoric disgusts me.

[malikc6]

You know I really wonder how these people are so influential to women who know nothing about feminism. It hurts me to my soul when I see a woman being indoctrinated in feminist views because chances are, she will become a terrible person. People love the idea of being a victim and feeling that the world owes them something. It's beyond pathetic and sad.

[creature386]

I've noticed that I tend to perceive injustice against groups I can relate to in an exaggerated manner, I have yet to understand why this is such a common cognitive bias. Could simply be a form of tribal thinking.

[Eaglenz]

I find it baffling how people hate feminists simply because some of them happen to be stupid. That's like hating people who debate on the Internet because you came across some 12 year old on Youtube. The definition of feminism in itself is merely the advocacy of women's rights in the grounds of gender equality. Whether you believe men and women are equal in society, that's something else. But hating someone for believing men and women should be equal sounds really extreme to me.

[creature386]

I think the vocal minority phenomenon strikes again:
theworldofanimals.proboards.com/post/26142/thread
It is the reason why people form opinions about a group as a whole on the basis of its least pleasant members.
I already noticed this phenomenon when I saw how I get completely outraged over creationists in general due to my vendetta with some ignorant and arrogant kids on YouTube, despite the fact that creationists as a whole do not cause much harm (and I hope that most of them are not like the ones you encounter on YouTube, doesn't change anything about the wrongness of their position though).
I also used to think very negatively about vegans for similar reasons.

[Eaglenz]

Mar 26, 2017 23:36:25 GMT 5 mechafire said:

Mar 26, 2017 8:14:43 GMT 5 Eaglenz said:

The definition of feminism in itself is merely the advocacy of women's rights in the grounds of gender equality. Whether you believe men and women are equal in society, that's something else. But hating someone for believing men and women should be equal sounds really extreme to me.

That's the bait and switch. Feminism claims to be this great thing. But that definition is garbage when you actually examine the doctrines of feminism (or "third-wave feminism"), when you look at what feminists actually espouse. It's not enough to believe in the egalitarian idea that people should be equality. You have to believe in the wage-gap nonsense, objectification, rape culture, identity politics, etc. That plus the hypocrisy of feminists and feminist outlets, like buzzfeed, and it's clear that people have every reason to hate feminism.

If they're not following the definition, are they really feminists at all? Are they feminists simply because they say so? The definition of feminism does not dictate that feminists should do anything other than seeking gender equality - if someone does something wrong in its name, how is it fair to blame feminism? The definition of feminism does not demand that feminists harm anyone for example. It's just gender equality. Whatever else is just misinterpretation from its sympathizers. And could you explain how the genders are equal in modern society?

Also, not making an argument out of this, but rather adding information to the thread - feminists are actually fighting ISIS in the Middle East. Quite something.

[Venomous Dragon]

from an etymological stand point the idea of the word feminism being defined as gender equality is a little laughable.
do Nationalists believe all nations are equal?
do racists believe all races are equal?
do islamists believe all religions are equally valid?

the word itself proclaims that the ideology is pro-female and anti-male to say anything else is like saying pacifism and militarism are actually the same.

[creature386]

As far as I understand, feminists are for equality and believe that equality can be achieved by empowering females and that discrimination against females is the only gender injustice there is.
Feminists do not believe there is any discrimination against males, only discrimination against females which can have negative side-effects for males as well (like the fact that men get punished harsher for the same crime or the fact that domestic violence against males is ignored or laughed at; feminists argue that both is nothing more than a consequence of viewing females as the weak gender).

[Venomous Dragon]

Women are the weaker gender, there is a reason we don't have men and women play sports together.

[creature386]

Maybe it would be better do understand "weak" in this sense as more docile and less capable of committing crimes/being evil.

[Eaglenz]

Mar 28, 2017 6:07:26 GMT 5 mechafire said:

You can say they're not feminists if you want. I'm just explaining why people hate feminists (or whatever you want to call them). It's not because those people are against equal rights, like your earlier post suggested their extreme for. Just read the earlier posts in this thread. It's because they're against the bait 'n switch and double standards feminists push in the name of female empowerment (then, when opposed, trudge out the definition of feminism like a shield).

Mere nut picking. I even gave an example already on how that's all nut picking which is the same as judging the debates in this forum by 12 year olds on Youtube or the average height of Americans by looking at the NBA. If we don't use the actual definition then it's a purely subjective debate and a matter of opinion, which is far from what the situation truly is.

Mar 28, 2017 6:07:26 GMT 5 mechafire said:

If pro-gender equality is all someone needs to be, the they'd all pretty much be feminists.

Thing is nobody ever claiming to be pro-gender equality but claiming to not be feminists has ever done anything for the ideology other than just denying to be feminists. Whereas feminists have actually done things as the concern is getting good results rather than fighting against what label they're given.

Mar 28, 2017 6:07:26 GMT 5 mechafire said:

How are the genders equal in society? Because they have the equal rights feminism claims to advocate for.

Circular reasoning.

Mar 28, 2017 6:07:26 GMT 5 mechafire said:

Which is great and all. The said thing is sjws and feminists in first-world countries are often first in line to irrationally defend Islam.

Nut picking, once more. What information confirms this? The media? News posts? That does not confirm that feminists are in their majority or entirety that type of person as the media would much rather focus on what people are doing wrong. Also about Islam, let's throw this in:

www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/why-muslims-should-never-have-to-apologize_b_9526296.html

Mar 28, 2017 6:07:26 GMT 5 mechafire said:

Basically, "feminists" who fight for females in third-world countries are great. "Feminists" in the civilized world spending all day writing about how they're oppressed and how men are scum, not as great.

Once again this is mere nut picking and its literally only such a widespread belief because of memes and biased media sources. It comes from people believing feminism is some "kill all men" movement because they assume going by the movement's name. Surprise though, the English language has a gazillion of words that are not what they seem. If we go by things names we'll believe the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is actually a democracy. I'll leave this post with a few sources.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/documents/research/gender_pay_gap_briefing_paper2.pdf
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/295833/Analysis_of_the_Gender_Pay_Gap.pdf
www.lse.ac.uk/genderInstitute/pdf/Confronting-Inequality.pdf
www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/equal_pay_issue_brief_final.pdf
america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/9/sexual-violence-global-epidemic.html
www2.unwomen.org/en/what-we-do/ending-violence-against-women/facts-and-figures
www.stopstreetharassment.org/about/what-is-street-harassment/
www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/statistics/
ukfeminista.org.uk/take-action/facts-and-statistics-on-gender-inequality/
forwarduk.org.uk/key-issues/fgm/
www.girlsnotbrides.org/about-child-marriage/
www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures
www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs239/en/
reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2015/rankings/ (Women are still 12% behind men in overall gender equality in the top scoring country according to the point system in this source)


If you think women are now equal to men in any part of the world, you are wrong. Simple as. Feminism is not only needed, it is required for any sort of change to occur for both men and women.

[Eaglenz]

Mar 28, 2017 13:54:07 GMT 5 Venomous Dragon said:

from an etymological stand point the idea of the word feminism being defined as gender equality is a little laughable.
do Nationalists believe all nations are equal?
do racists believe all races are equal?
do islamists believe all religions are equally valid?

the word itself proclaims that the ideology is pro-female and anti-male to say anything else is like saying pacifism and militarism are actually the same.

Etymologies are such a fallacious way to go by. Nobody thinks North Korea is a democracy. Ever.

[Eaglenz]

Mar 28, 2017 16:29:32 GMT 5 creature386 said:

Feminists do not believe there is any discrimination against males, only discrimination against females

Except this is false and a generalization. I don't get why people try to associate a billion of factors to feminists when the definition for feminist can be explained in literally one line. Its like they think its a subjective, loose term like morality.