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Post by malikc6 on Jan 23, 2015 17:09:07 GMT 5
Would you hit a women if she hit you first?
If not, please give your reasoning.
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Post by creature386 on Jan 23, 2015 18:05:00 GMT 5
I easily become aggressive, so yes.
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Post by Vodmeister on Jan 23, 2015 20:16:40 GMT 5
I've decided to move Malikc's new thread into one large discussion about feminism and gender related issues.
And to answer your question, probably not.
Not because she is a women, but rather because I am a passive guy in general. If she hit me once, I'd shrug it off (just like I would do if the person was a man). However, if she continuously harassed me, I'd becoming aggressive.
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Post by creature386 on Jan 23, 2015 21:03:26 GMT 5
His original title included an "ever", so the discussion is more like "Is this a complete taboo?" (a bit unnecessary because the responses will be pretty one-sided). The thread is a great idea BTW.
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 24, 2015 4:49:38 GMT 5
Most guys I know always say that "No because we're stronger. You can hurt them easily." Honestly there are so many things wrong with that response. Maybe I should go up to a grizzly bear and punch it in the nose and be like "Sorry but you can't hit back because I'm weaker." A leopard could go up to a lion and swat it in the face with a paw strike and say "You can't hit back cause you're stronger."
And guys honestly underestimate the damage a woman could do if she continuously kept attacking you. Eyes, testicles, the face, etc. They are capable of causing a lot of damage if not stopped like any other human being. Me personally, it would depend on my mood, who it is, and the situation.
For example, if its a girl I already hate, I would hit back instantly. If in a good mood, I would shove or shake her hard. If its a girl that is a friend, I would grab her and yell at her. If she kept going, time to wrist lock...
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Post by theropod on Jan 24, 2015 5:59:13 GMT 5
There's also a lot wrong with that analogy. We shouldn't treat members of our own species the same way wild carnivores or predator andd prey treat each other. That just isn't how a social animal behaves, especially one with such an advanced society.
Obviously I'd defend myself if I was attacked, and certainly a woman can potentially be just as dangerous as a man.
But if I'm the superior fighter, I have to see to it that no disproportionate damage is done to end a fight. There's a difference between doing nothing and trying to prevent serious injuries by controlling the situation.
So yes, I would punch back, but only as hard as I have to in order to A) make clear that she's crossed a line and B) defend myself.
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Post by Vodmeister on Jan 24, 2015 8:37:38 GMT 5
Perhaps a better analogy.
Imagine if a 150 lbs man acted despicably and smacked a 250 lbs man across the face, and the 250 lbs man hit him back and knocked him out. No one, including myself would feel bad for the smaller guy.
However, now picture a 130 lbs woman who acts like a total b*tch and smacks a 150 lbs guy in the face, which resulted in the man hitting her back. A lot of people would look down on the guy for being a "woman beater".
And that's despite the fact that the strength difference between a 250 lbs and 150 lbs man could actually be greater than the strength difference between a 150 lbs man and 130 lbs woman.
"Never hit a woman" is a code that is based on more than just about men's larger size and strength, it's because a lot of people believe that we shouldn't hit a woman just because she is a woman.
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 24, 2015 10:06:13 GMT 5
Perhaps a better analogy. Imagine if a 150 lbs man acted despicably and smacked a 250 lbs man across the face, and the 250 lbs man hit him back and knocked him out. No one, including myself would feel bad for the smaller guy. However, now picture a 130 lbs woman who acts like a total b*tch and smacks a 150 lbs guy in the face, which resulted in the man hitting her back. A lot of people would look down on the guy for being a "woman beater". And that's despite the fact that the strength difference between a 250 lbs and 150 lbs man could actually be greater than the strength difference between a 150 lbs man and 130 lbs woman. "Never hit a woman" is a code that is based on more than just about men's larger size and strength, it's because a lot of people believe that we shouldn't hit a woman just because she is a woman. This is exactly how I feel. Even if the woman was heavier than the male and he hit back, people would still shame him. Should I not hit back a much weaker male for being weaker? HA! "No Malik don't hit him! He's weaker". |
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 24, 2015 10:08:33 GMT 5
There's also a lot wrong with that analogy. We shouldn't treat members of our own species the same way wild carnivores or predator andd prey treat each other. That just isn't how a social animal behaves, especially one with such an advanced society. Obviously I'd defend myself if I was attacked, and certainly a woman can potentially be just as dangerous as a man. But if I'm the superior fighter, I have to see to it that no disproportionate damage is done to end a fight. There's a difference between doing nothing and trying to prevent serious injuries by controlling the situation. So yes, I would punch back, but only as hard as I have to in order to A) make clear that she's crossed a line and B) defend myself. My analogy was made for people who try to say that men shouldn't hit back due to being stronger. If that's the case, then go up to a wolf/cougar/bear/tiger/lion and punch it. "Sorry but you can't fight back because you're stronger!" |
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Post by theropod on Jan 24, 2015 14:39:42 GMT 5
There's also a lot wrong with that analogy. We shouldn't treat members of our own species the same way wild carnivores or predator andd prey treat each other. That just isn't how a social animal behaves, especially one with such an advanced society. Obviously I'd defend myself if I was attacked, and certainly a woman can potentially be just as dangerous as a man. But if I'm the superior fighter, I have to see to it that no disproportionate damage is done to end a fight. There's a difference between doing nothing and trying to prevent serious injuries by controlling the situation. So yes, I would punch back, but only as hard as I have to in order to A) make clear that she's crossed a line and B) defend myself. My analogy was made for people who try to say that men shouldn't hit back due to being stronger. If that's the case, then go up to a wolf/cougar/bear/tiger/lion and punch it. "Sorry but you can't fight back because you're stronger!" The problem is that it's also thee equivalent of going up to those carnivores peacefully and expecting not to be harmed, but obviously thhere's a good chance that they will eat you. Are you really saying humans should behave the same way with each other? As I wrote, I'm all for self defense and hitting an attacker back, but carnivorans would in all likelyhood use their superior strenght and weaponery to kill or fatally injure their attacker, which just isn't warranted among humans. I certainly would not beat aa woman into hospital for slapping me, for example. I might slap back hard enough to make clear what she can expect if she behaves this way, but certainly not all a grizzly would do if a human slapped it. |
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 24, 2015 16:33:29 GMT 5
My analogy was made for people who try to say that men shouldn't hit back due to being stronger. If that's the case, then go up to a wolf/cougar/bear/tiger/lion and punch it. "Sorry but you can't fight back because you're stronger!" The problem is that it's also thee equivalent of going up to those carnivores peacefully and expecting not to be harmed, but obviously thhere's a good chance that they will eat you. Are you really saying humans should behave the same way with each other? As I wrote, I'm all for self defense and hitting an attacker back, but carnivorans would in all likelyhood use their superior strenght and weaponery to kill or fatally injure their attacker, which just isn't warranted among humans. I certainly would not beat aa woman into hospital for slapping me, for example. I might slap back hard enough to make clear what she can expect if she behaves this way, but certainly not all a grizzly would do if a human slapped it. Obviously people shouldn't behave the same way (with some people actually responding that way however). I'm simply just saying that people that think that weaker beings should be able to walk over stronger beings have flawed logic. It also means "if you mess with the bull, you get the horns." Aka, you provoke someone into hitting you, then that's what happens. |
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Post by allosaurusatrox on Jan 29, 2015 0:41:10 GMT 5
There's still "female superiority" stuff in the world?
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Post by creature386 on Jan 29, 2015 2:06:38 GMT 5
Yup. Even though I have to admit that not every feminist is a supremacist. Some people who are only for gender equality also identify themselves as feminists. Its just that the Internet (as usual) is a medium for the dumbest of pretty much every interest group.
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Post by allosaurusatrox on Jan 29, 2015 2:38:17 GMT 5
The Internet is a breeding ground for dumb ideas.
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Post by malikc6 on Jan 29, 2015 10:13:54 GMT 5
I think if people really want equality, they should change the name "feminism" into something else. The word feminism is obviously made for one side. Feminism= female. That's why I can't stand it when a male says he is a feminist. Just classify yourself as an egalitarian.
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