For all atheists: When did you stop believing in God?

[An Goldish Jade]

well, maybe this group(creationist) only attacks one branch of science( can i ask, how frequent do do non-creationists use the term "historical" and "observation"?) but what type of science would those theists that claim earth is "flat" or claiming that "heaven" exists are opposed to?

[creature386]

Those theists believe that all of "science" is a global Satanic conspiracy and noone practices actual science except for the few flat Earthers.
As for non-creationists using the term, you can find examples here:
rationalwiki.org/wiki/Historical_and_operational_science#Support_for_Historical_Science

[An Goldish Jade]

well, sane people would have no way of understanding how there could be such thoughts exist, oh, the link you posted says that there is non-creationists who think the dinstinction make sense but it also says

"Operational science" (not to be confused with Operations researchWikipedia's W.svg) is a term coined by creationists for any science that "deals with testing and verifying ideas in the present and leads to the production of useful products like computers, cars, and satellites."[2].

The term "Operational science" and the creationist understanding of "Historical science" are not considered valid scientific terminology, and primarily appear in arguments presented by creationists about whether ideas such as abiogenesis, evolution and the Big Bang Theory are really scientific. As Bill Nye pointed out when debating Ken Ham, even Ken Ham admits that the distinction is entirely a creationist invention, and no scientist not on the Answers in Genesis (AiG) payroll agrees with him about it.

so should we say that creationists made it up, and it affected scientists, or creationists just exploited it?
i still think it is creationists creation.

[creature386]

The term "historical science" is not a creationist invention, but the term "operational science" and the way they are distinguished are creationist inventions.

[An Goldish Jade]

so scientists still use those two dinsctions?

[creature386]

Some do so, but they recognize that the line is blurry and not very useful, so it is a rather obscure distinction.

[An Goldish Jade]

and creationists used them much more often? if so, then it look like the creationists exploited the terms.

[creature386]

Yes. And "historical science" does have practical applications, by the way. Geology is largely a historical science, yet oil companies sometimes hire geologists who use their understanding of processes that take millions of years to tell them where to search for oil. Let's see if flood geologists can do the same.

[An Goldish Jade]

so you changed you mind on the relation between "historical" science and "observation" science?

[creature386]

I've never claimed that "historical" science is useless, this is a creationist claim! I merely presented it to you, so that you understand them better.

[An Goldish Jade]

i know you did not say that, but

That being said, a lot related to technology development is not linked to evolutionary biology, geology, cosmology or anything else YECs are denying.

you said those two are not linked togther, but now you said they do link.

[creature386]

"A lot of technology", not "nothing in technology at all". Moreover, geology is not so useful for creating new technology per se, but rather for telling people where to find the stuff they need for new technology.
While it is not unimportant, it is subordinate in importance to, say, quantum mechanics or electrochemistry which will both be crucial for the future of our civilization and are typically not denied by YECs.

[An Goldish Jade]

so, overall, you think the two are unrelated, but not all the time, is this what you think?

[creature386]

What? I've only said that some sciences are not as important for technology as others (that't the reason why some sciences offer more lucrative career opportunities and are more sought after than others; that's why you'll find less universities teaching evolutionary biology than, say, genetics). That doesn't mean they are not related to each other. Geology is for example nothing more than chemistry and physics applied our to our Earth.

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since I was a kid.