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Post by rock on May 11, 2019 23:03:58 GMT 5
Smilodon - Smilodon gracilis Smilodon ( /ˈsmaɪlədɒn/), often called a saber-toothed cat or incorrectly a saber-toothed tiger, is an extinct genus of machairodonts. This saber-toothed cat was endemic to North America and South America, living from near the beginning through the very end of the Pleistocene epoch (2.5 mya—10,000 years ago). The nickname "saber-tooth" refers to the extreme length of their maxillary canines. Despite the colloquial name "saber-toothed tiger", Smilodon is not a tiger; the latter belongs to subfamily Pantherinae, whereas Smilodon belongs to subfamily Machairodontinae. The name Smilodon comes from Greek: σμίλη, (smilē), "chisel" + ὀδoύς (hodoús), "tooth", or in the genitive: ὀδoύς, ὀδόντος, odóntos. Smilodon gracilis, 2.5 million-500,000 years ago; the smallest and earliest species (estimated to have been only 55 to 100 kg (120 to 220 lb) was the successor of Megantereon in North America, from which it probably evolved. The other Smilodon species probably derived from this species. Western gorilla The western gorilla (Gorilla gorilla) is a great ape and the most populous species of the genus Gorilla. The western gorilla is slightly smaller, lighter, more slender and clearer dyed than its eastern cousin. The western lowland gorilla can be brown or greyish with a yellowish forehead. It also has an overhanging tip on its nose, which the eastern gorilla does not have. Males measure 160–170 cm (5.3-5.6 ft) and weigh 140–160 kg (308-352 lbs). Females measure 120–140 cm (4-4.6 ft) and weigh 60–80 kg (132-176 lbs). The western gorilla is the smaller species of the gorilla. The Cross River gorilla differs from the western lowland gorilla in both skull and tooth dimensions. It is also about 10–15 cm (4-6 in) taller and 20–35 kg (44-77 lbs) heavier, but still smaller and lighter than the mountain gorilla and the eastern lowland gorilla, latter the largest subspecies of the gorilla and the largest living primate.
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 11, 2019 23:13:19 GMT 5
Is this western or eastern gorilla? Specify in the title and poll. Anyhow, I think I'd favor the machairodont, it seems to have the tools to kill the gorilla before it gets killed. Though it won't be easy and the gorilla has a chance as well.
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Post by rock on May 11, 2019 23:20:55 GMT 5
Is this western or eastern gorilla? Specify in the title and poll. Anyhow, I think I'd favor the machairodont, it seems to have the tools to kill the gorilla before it gets killed. Though it won't be easy and the gorilla has a chance as well. it is a western gorilla . anyways i favor the smilodon too as it has large tusks it can use to stab into the gorilla and it has more weapons . plus they were used to taking down large herbivores , like bison , moose and large deers
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on May 17, 2019 3:33:57 GMT 5
The silverback gorilla having more flexible arms than even bears can defend itself from the smilodon gracilis much better. The smilodon gracilis, however, has a much better chance against a gorilla than a big male black bear.The silverback gorilla is still a force to reackon with and will beat the smilodon gracilis in a face to face fight. The smilodon's best is at night. While I support smilodon over gorilla at parity, the sileback gorilla has too much of a weight advantage.
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 17, 2019 4:19:29 GMT 5
The silverback gorilla having more flexible arms than even bears can defend itself from the smilodon gracilis much better. The smilodon gracilis, however, has a much better chance against a gorilla than a big male black bear.The silverback gorilla is still a force to reackon with and will beat the smilodon gracilis in a face to face fight. The smilodon's best is at night. While I support smilodon over gorilla at parity, the sileback gorilla has too much of a weight advantage. Western gorillas average ~150 kg. Smilodon gracilis would average ~78 kg. What's your logic for favoring the western gorillas with less than a dual weight advantage? Or did you not know?
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on May 17, 2019 5:34:30 GMT 5
My only logic for favoring a gorilla over a smilodon slightly less than half its weight would be its size advantage and its greater physical strength. The smilodon has greater weaponary and it is powerful too but it has to wait for the right timing to execute its kill. Smilodon's are capable of killing prey fast but if prey trashes around or fights back, the saber tooth cat can end up with broken canines.
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 17, 2019 5:57:36 GMT 5
My only logic for favoring a gorilla over a smilodon slightly less than half its weight would be its size advantage and its greater physical strength. The smilodon has greater weaponary and it is powerful too but it has to wait for the right timing to execute its kill. Smilodon's are capable of killing prey fast but if prey trashes around or fights back, the saber tooth cat can end up with broken canines. Primates also have relatively low durability for their size, and Smilodon had very large claws by feline standards, which means it could likely maul its foe to death. Though I agree that the silverback certainly has a chance (30-35 percent IMO), due to its size and strength
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Post by leo on Jul 5, 2019 22:49:29 GMT 5
Smilodon would easily win here , their are reports of leopards which are much smaller than the Smilodon , giving gorillas trouble and a Smilodon is much bigger and stronger than a leopard , so Smilodon easily wins 10/10
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 6, 2019 13:20:04 GMT 5
so Smilodon easily wins 10/10 Would you actually be able to provide some solid evidence for that? I'd favor the cat here, but only about 7/10. Western gorilla vs leopard is about 50/50
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Post by rock on Jul 7, 2019 23:53:32 GMT 5
Smilodon would easily win here , their are reports of leopards which are much smaller than the Smilodon , giving gorillas trouble and a Smilodon is much bigger and stronger than a leopard , so Smilodon easily wins 10/10 their is no reports of leopards killing healthy adult male or female gorillas , only sick or old gorillas , leopards typically do not fight a adult gorilla , they tend to avoid each other , leopards are typically starving if they take on a gorilla , they may also pick off on young or baby gorillas , but very rarley the adults
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 8, 2019 15:21:17 GMT 5
Smilodon would easily win here , their are reports of leopards which are much smaller than the Smilodon , giving gorillas trouble and a Smilodon is much bigger and stronger than a leopard , so Smilodon easily wins 10/10 their is no reports of leopards killing healthy adult male or female gorillas , only sick or old gorillas , leopards typically do not fight a adult gorilla , they tend to avoid each other , leopards are typically starving if they take on a gorilla , they may also pick off on young or baby gorillas , but very rarley the adults Wasn't there an account where both a leopard and western gorilla died head to head?
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Post by rock on Jul 8, 2019 18:07:23 GMT 5
their is no reports of leopards killing healthy adult male or female gorillas , only sick or old gorillas , leopards typically do not fight a adult gorilla , they tend to avoid each other , leopards are typically starving if they take on a gorilla , they may also pick off on young or baby gorillas , but very rarley the adults Wasn't there an account where both a leopard and western gorilla died head to head? very rarley and if so it was a tie , not a win for the leopard , also , just out of curiosity , why did you restart the poll?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 8, 2019 18:19:03 GMT 5
Wasn't there an account where both a leopard and western gorilla died head to head? very rarley and if so it was a tie , not a win for the leopard , also , just out of curiosity , why did you restart the poll? It was a mis-representation
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Post by rock on Jul 8, 2019 18:21:28 GMT 5
very rarley and if so it was a tie , not a win for the leopard , also , just out of curiosity , why did you restart the poll? It was a mis-representation ok
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on Jul 10, 2019 9:38:45 GMT 5
My only logic for favoring a gorilla over a smilodon slightly less than half its weight would be its size advantage and its greater physical strength. The smilodon has greater weaponary and it is powerful too but it has to wait for the right timing to execute its kill. Smilodon's are capable of killing prey fast but if prey trashes around or fights back, the saber tooth cat can end up with broken canines. Primates also have relatively low durability for their size, and Smilodon had very large claws by feline standards, which means it could likely maul its foe to death. Though I agree that the silverback certainly has a chance (30-35 percent IMO), due to its size and strength I am aware of the apes thin skin yet primates have survived scratches from smaller pantherines of course and one chimp was injured by a spear but went on its merry way account posted by Zergthe. Generally, we agree on most things.
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