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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 17, 2019 9:00:51 GMT 5
Pacific Walrus - Odobenus rosmarus divergens Walruses occupy a nearly circumpolar region of the Arctic. Three distinct subspecific populations are recognized: 1) Atlantic (Odobenus rosmarus rosmarus), which lives in the eastern Canadian Arctic and Greenland east to Novaya Zemlya; 2) Pacific (O. r. divergens), living in the Bering Sea and adjacent Arctic Ocean; 3) Laptev Sea (O. r. laptevi), occupying the Laptev Sea, north of Siberia. Some taxonomists do not recognize the Laptev Sea population as a separate subspecies. Walruses prefer to inhabit areas with ice floes in the shallower regions near the coasts of Arctic waterways. Their seasonal migration patterns coincide with the changes in the ice. In the winter, walruses move south as the Arctic ice expands, and in the summer they retreat north as the ice recedes. This migration can cover distances of 3000 km. Individuals concentrate where the ice is relatively thin and dispersed in the winter. In the summer time, bulls may use isolated coastal beaches and rocky islets. Cows and young prefer to stay on ice floes in all seasons. While some outsized Pacific males can weigh as much as 2,000 kg (4,400 lb), most weigh between 800 and 1,680 kg (1,800 and 3,700 lb). The Atlantic subspecies weighs about 10–20% less than the Pacific subspecies. The Atlantic Walrus also tends to have relatively shorter tusks and somewhat more flattened snout. Females weigh about two-thirds as much, with the Atlantic females averaging 560 kg (1,200 lb), sometimes weighing as little as 400 kg (880 lbs), and the Pacific female averaging 794 kg (1,750 lb). Length ranges from 2.2 to 3.6 m (7.2–12 ft). It is the second largest pinniped, after the elephant seals. Titanoboa cerrejonensis Titanoboa, meaning "titanic boa," is a genus of snake that lived approximately 58–60 million years ago, during the Paleocene epoch, a 10-million-year period immediately following the dinosaur extinction event. The only known species is the Titanoboa cerrejonensis, the largest snake ever discovered, which supplanted the previous record holder, Gigantophis. By comparing the sizes and shapes of its fossilized vertebrae to those of extant snakes, researchers estimated that the largest individuals of T. cerrejonensis found had a total length around 14.6 m (48 ft) and weighed about 1,135 kg (2,500 lb; 1.12 long tons; 1.25 short tons). Credit to Wikipedia
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Post by rock on Jun 17, 2019 17:30:13 GMT 5
the snake wins , it is larger and heavier and can constrict the walrus , unless the walrus uses its tusks when being constricted then the snake is in deep trouble
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 17, 2019 17:33:52 GMT 5
Well, even then I wouldn't be so sure. The walrus would find it hard to stab the snake during constriction, and that's ignoring the fact that tensed muscle is very hard to penetrate
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Post by rock on Jun 17, 2019 17:45:44 GMT 5
Well, even then I wouldn't be so sure. The walrus would find it hard to stab the snake during constriction, and that's ignoring the fact that tensed muscle is very hard to penetrate <iframe width="24.5" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 24.5px; height: 3.240000000000009px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_87938088" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.5" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 24.5px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1164px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66562671" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.5" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 24.5px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 102px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_69166278" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.5" height="3.240000000000009" style="position: absolute; width: 24.5px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1164px; top: 102px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_42704051" scrolling="no"></iframe> if he did , then he could hurt him but the snake likley wins 8/10
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jun 17, 2019 20:31:16 GMT 5
I agree, I guess
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Post by all on Sept 19, 2019 1:04:30 GMT 5
Obviously this fight would never happen. Only realistic shot that walrus has is if the fight would be in cold water which would slow or even kill titanoboa in my opinion
I assume the fight would take in the water. On land titanoboa wins easily. Walrus has colossal tusks yes but titanoboa despite its sometimes smaller weight could stay away from the tusks. It would be just as comfortable in the water as walrus and could be elongate its entire body then quickly move move its entire body back probably even in water. Then it would move the entire body back again and attack at its leisure. At least that makes sense to me. The hit with the tusks would have to be in upper half of the body to do life threatening damage to titanoboa. At least that makes sense to me. And it would be difficult for walrus to actually impale the snake. It would only slash him. Titanoboa is better protected than for example polar bear. One slash would not kill titanoboa at less it would be very close to the head. And even than snake would probably survive. Titanoboa's scales protect him from slashing and biting attacks almost as well as walrus skin protects him from same attacks. I don't think walrus can kill another walrus with a single slash. I think it takes much more than that. And titanoboa is just as well protected from walrus tusks as walrus is protected from other walruses. Titanoboa however does not need to break walrus's hide just immobilize the walrus for a second which he can do with its mouth and slip on the coils.
Reticulated python weighs up to 160 kg. American crocodile over 900 kg (both very large specimens) American crocodile can not only slash but grip like a vice with devastating force. Even if crocodile teeth are not as large as those of a walrus in comparison to 160 kg snake the size and strength of crocodile jaws is immense. Plus crocodile will grab and immobilize walrus will only slush. However a python can often kill american crocodile. Titanoboa is up to 1300 kg average walrus is 900 there are however exceptions with walrus being close to 2000 kg.
But look at the comparison american crocodile to the python. Crocodile weighs well over 5 times the weight of a python. and has vice like grip that can immobilize making it more difficult to place the coils. Yet the fight between python and american crock is 50/50. Walrus has huge tusks. But it will fail to immobilize, the difference between snake weight and walrus weight is at most 2-1 walrus. Lots of walrus body is hide and fat to protect it from cold water. Snake is one large cylinder of muscle. plus titanoboa attains its full weight more often than walrus infect we don't even know how large is the largest titanoboa. the largest examples we have are about 15 m maybe little more. But those are not necessarily largest that ever lived.
Walrus usually wins the fight with a polar bear. However there are instances when polar bear killed full grown male walrus. Put polar bear against titanoboa and polar bear has no chance whatsoever. At least that is what I believe. Titanoboa has sharp teeth too once it caches up to walrus it will slip on the coils and walrus will die almost instantaneously. Being in coils of titanoboa is equivalent to having large truck siting on your chest. But as you know the coils don't have to crush like a truck would need with its weight. All they need to do is stop rib cage from moving Titanoboa could probably break the bones even as strong as those of a walrus but it does not need to. A truck fully loaded could probably kill just by crushing to death even something as big as walrus. But as far as trying to take a breath with that much force constantly pushing on you well that guarantees death. After snake slips one coil the walrus will weaken making it relatively easily for snake to slip the next one and the next one.
Of course if battle took place in walrus waters then walrus would easily win. But that would be a completely different situation. That is why comparing those two is really difficult.
Of course it is possible that i'm completely wrong. But I never actually seen a fight between titanoboa and walrus so all I can do is guess.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 19, 2019 2:43:41 GMT 5
1: I assume the fight would take in the water. On land titanoboa wins easily. Walrus has colossal tusks yes but titanoboa despite its sometimes smaller weight could stay away from the tusks. It would be just as comfortable in the water as walrus and could be elongate its entire body then quickly move move its entire body back probably even in water. Then it would move the entire body back again and attack at its leisure. At least that makes sense to me. The hit with the tusks would have to be in upper half of the body to do life threatening damage to titanoboa. At least that makes sense to me. And it would be difficult for walrus to actually impale the snake. It would only slash him. Titanoboa is better protected than for example polar bear. One slash would not kill titanoboa at less it would be very close to the head. And even than snake would probably survive. Titanoboa's scales protect him from slashing and biting attacks almost as well as walrus skin protects him from same attacks. I don't think walrus can kill another walrus with a single slash. I think it takes much more than that. And titanoboa is just as well protected from walrus tusks as walrus is protected from other walruses. Titanoboa however does not need to break walrus's hide just immobilize the walrus for a second which he can do with its mouth and slip on the coils. 2: Reticulated python weighs up to 160 kg. American crocodile over 900 kg (both very large specimens) American crocodile can not only slash but grip like a vice with devastating force. Even if crocodile teeth are not as large as those of a walrus in comparison to 160 kg snake the size and strength of crocodile jaws is immense. Plus crocodile will grab and immobilize walrus will only slush. However a python can often kill american crocodile. Titanoboa is up to 1300 kg average walrus is 900 there are however exceptions with walrus being close to 2000 kg. 3: But look at the comparison american crocodile to the python. Crocodile weighs well over 5 times the weight of a python. and has vice like grip that can immobilize making it more difficult to place the coils. Yet the fight between python and american crock is 50/50. Walrus has huge tusks. But it will fail to immobilize, the difference between snake weight and walrus weight is at most 2-1 walrus. Lots of walrus body is hide and fat to protect it from cold water. Snake is one large cylinder of muscle. plus titanoboa attains its full weight more often than walrus infect we don't even know how large is the largest titanoboa. the largest examples we have are about 15 m maybe little more. But those are not necessarily largest that ever lived. 4: Walrus usually wins the fight with a polar bear. However there are instances when polar bear killed full grown male walrus. Put polar bear against titanoboa and polar bear has no chance whatsoever. At least that is what I believe. 5: Titanoboa has sharp teeth too once it caches up to walrus it will slip on the coils and walrus will die almost instantaneously. Being in coils of titanoboa is equivalent to having large truck siting on your chest. But as you know the coils don't have to crush like a truck would need with its weight. All they need to do is stop rib cage from moving Titanoboa could probably break the bones even as strong as those of a walrus but it does not need to. A truck fully loaded could probably kill just by crushing to death even something as big as walrus. But as far as trying to take a breath with that much force constantly pushing on you well that guarantees death. After snake slips one coil the walrus will weaken making it relatively easily for snake to slip the next one and the next one. 6: Of course if battle took place in walrus waters then walrus would easily win. That's one long post! 1: Agreed 2: Not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate? 3: True 4: Agreed 5: True 6: Reason? I favor the snake on land and water here
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Post by theropod on Sept 19, 2019 3:23:37 GMT 5
2: Reticulated pythons killing american crocodiles? Sorry, but how? They do not coexist, not even close Crocodylus acutus geographical range Python reticulatus geographical range Are you saying there is an army of mad zookeepers who have access to scores of giant, record-sized reticulated pythons and american crocodiles and let them fight, frequently enough for a given outcome to happen "often"? Maybe an invasive Burmese python occasionally gets in a confrontation with an American crocodile. Even so, I highly doubt they take crocodiles that much larger than themselves, considering the maximum they can swallow would be less than half their own length. And 900 kg crocodiles are so rare, the chances of any python, let alone an equally rare 160 kg one, just happening upon, let alone fight one would be infinitesimally small. 3: No, not true, there are no fights between reticulated pythons and american crocodiles, let alone freakishly large 900 kg crocodiles and 160 kg pythons.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 19, 2019 4:11:26 GMT 5
theropodYeah, thanks. My brain converted 'python' to 'anaconda'
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Post by all on Sept 27, 2019 20:27:14 GMT 5
From what I watched the pythons from everglades do kill crocodiles. I'm perfectly aware that pythons don't live in everglades. However escaped pythons are invasive species in everglades. As you probably know. And there were examples of pythons killing and eating crocodiles and alligators. Of course attempt of swallowing an alligator or crocodile usually means snake ether dies or has to regurgitate the meal.
In any case Titanoboa can exert enough pressure to kill a walrus easily. Being squeezed by tiatnoboa is like having a truck siting on your chest. And dinosauria 101 you are right snake would win on the land as well because walrus is no more comfortable there than snake is. As far as walrus wining in his own waters. Snakes are cold blooded in frigged waters of the Arctic it would not be able to function. Or am I missing something?
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Post by elosha11 on Sept 27, 2019 20:41:18 GMT 5
all, there's also multiple accounts/videos of alligators killing and eating the Burmese pythons. In fact probably more in favor of the gator than vice versa. As to this match up, the walrus's tusk are not designed to hurt a giant snake, it would be far harder for the walrus to do any fatal damage. Unless it could somehow pierce the snake's head, or sit on its head and crush it, I don't know how it could win. The snake's probably big enough to kill and adult walrus, I don't know about the 4000 pound gigantic ones. Titanoboa 7/10.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 27, 2019 20:51:43 GMT 5
@elosha
I agree! But will be making a chart soon. Stay tuned!
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