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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 4, 2019 23:07:42 GMT 5
1: My opinion is not 50/50 on land, it is stalemate 2: None of those animals have a thick layer of blubber 1:not a thick layer of blubber but still very hard to bite open 2:Edited 1: It may not be easy to bite through them, but the blubber makes the entire job much, much harder 2: I noticed and voted
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Post by rock on Jul 4, 2019 23:21:43 GMT 5
1:not a thick layer of blubber but still very hard to bite open 2:Edited 1: It may not be easy to bite through them, but the blubber makes the entire job much, much harder 2: I noticed and voted 1:it may be hard , but not impossible , as i said before these lions can eat things with rough blubber-like skin like crocodiles and rhinos 2:good
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 5, 2019 1:07:54 GMT 5
1: It may not be easy to bite through them, but the blubber makes the entire job much, much harder 2: I noticed and voted 1:it may be hard , but not impossible , as i said before these lions can eat things with rough blubber-like skin like crocodiles and rhinos 2:good No, the hide of those animals is absolutely nothing like blubber. In fact, rhinos and crocodiles both have very little body fat due to living in a warm climate. The walrus' blubber would be virtually insurmountable
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Post by rock on Jul 5, 2019 1:57:21 GMT 5
1:it may be hard , but not impossible , as i said before these lions can eat things with rough blubber-like skin like crocodiles and rhinos 2:good No, the hide of those animals is absolutely nothing like blubber. In fact, rhinos and crocodiles both have very little body fat due to living in a warm climate. The walrus' blubber would be virtually insurmountable its till very rough and again lions have very powerful teeth , if they cannot eat him they can kill the walrus for sure , the lion also has other weapons to its advantage like its claws
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 5, 2019 2:27:34 GMT 5
No, the hide of those animals is absolutely nothing like blubber. In fact, rhinos and crocodiles both have very little body fat due to living in a warm climate. The walrus' blubber would be virtually insurmountable its till very rough and again lions have very powerful teeth , if they cannot eat him they can kill the walrus for sure , the lion also has other weapons to its advantage like its claws Do you know how thick walrus blubber is? The lions do not have the tools to bypass it, and the claws are of no use
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Post by rock on Jul 5, 2019 5:55:44 GMT 5
its till very rough and again lions have very powerful teeth , if they cannot eat him they can kill the walrus for sure , the lion also has other weapons to its advantage like its claws Do you know how thick walrus blubber is? The lions do not have the tools to bypass it, and the claws are of no use killing the walrus is serprate from eating it , the lions can neck bite it or make it bleed by using their claws to scratch the blubber and cause injury
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 5, 2019 13:52:45 GMT 5
Do you know how thick walrus blubber is? The lions do not have the tools to bypass it, and the claws are of no use killing the walrus is serprate from eating it , the lions can neck bite it or make it bleed by using their claws to scratch the blubber and cause injury No, the blubber is much, much too thick and the lion's jaws are too small. Seriously, they need much bigger claws as well as larger sets of jaws with serrated teeth (which they lack) to successfully bypass the blubber
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Post by rock on Jul 5, 2019 17:57:18 GMT 5
killing the walrus is serprate from eating it , the lions can neck bite it or make it bleed by using their claws to scratch the blubber and cause injury No, the blubber is much, much too thick and the lion's jaws are too small. Seriously, they need much bigger claws as well as larger sets of jaws with serrated teeth (which they lack) to successfully bypass the blubber i doubt these teeth are too small , seeing as again they are able to break through a crocodiles scaly skin and remember crocodiles have been shot before and unfased , and a hippos skin and same thing , hippos have been shot and almost unfased.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 5, 2019 18:21:08 GMT 5
No, the blubber is much, much too thick and the lion's jaws are too small. Seriously, they need much bigger claws as well as larger sets of jaws with serrated teeth (which they lack) to successfully bypass the blubber i doubt these teeth are too small , seeing as again they are able to break through a crocodiles scaly skin and remember crocodiles have been shot before and unfased , and a hippos skin and same thing , hippos have been shot and almost unfased. 1: No, the lions would need much bigger jaws, higher bite force, and serrated teeth. None of which they have. The lions cannot chew through the blubber without exhausting themselves 2: A walrus has the thick hide of a hippo/crocodile/rhino, AND thick, tough blubber to back it up. Here's a chart that illustrates my point I have yet to see an argument for how they can bypass it
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Post by elosha11 on Jul 5, 2019 19:17:03 GMT 5
A quibble, but I wouldn't call two male lions a "pride." More like a coalition. Pride is a term for a whole group of females, cubs, and one or more dominant males.
Two full grown male lions should handle this, with requisite caution. Male polar bears can handle practically any walrus one on one on land, if the pod doesn't interfere. Two lions could double team, and wear out the walrus, and they are collectively equivalent in weight to the polar bear, just as good biters, more agile than the bear, and most importantly, can be in two places at once, one to distract, attack in front, while the other cripples the rear, or climbs on top and bites the walrus from behind.
Lions would stand a chance of getting gored, and that could change the fight dynamics if that occurred. But more often than not, the lions would prevail. Of course, this assumes a neutral environment/climate, which is "unrealistic," but must be assumed for such battles.
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Post by elosha11 on Jul 5, 2019 19:17:58 GMT 5
Forgot water scenarios. Definitely favor the walrus in water, although it would more likely escape than attack the lions. But it would have a definite advantage in all out water combat.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 5, 2019 21:30:59 GMT 5
1: A quibble, but I wouldn't call two male lions a "pride." More like a coalition. Pride is a term for a whole group of females, cubs, and one or more dominant males. 2: Two full grown male lions should handle this, with requisite caution. Male polar bears can handle practically any walrus one on one on land, if the pod doesn't interfere. Two lions could double team, and wear out the walrus, and they are collectively equivalent in weight to the polar bear, just as good biters, more agile than the bear, and most importantly, can be in two places at once, one to distract, attack in front, while the other cripples the rear, or climbs on top and bites the walrus from behind. 3: Lions would stand a chance of getting gored, and that could change the fight dynamics if that occurred. But more often than not, the lions would prevail. Of course, this assumes a neutral environment/climate, which is "unrealistic," but must be assumed for such battles. 1: Yeah, same here. Definitely agree 2: elosha11 I have a question: How do you think the lions can get through the blubber and thick hide before exhausting themselves? They just don't seem to have the tools for it, and I have yet to see a good argument for how they can 3: Looking back on things, I think I'd say a stalemate with an edge to the walrus on land, because when the lions tire, they're vulnerable to being crushed or gored
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Post by leo on Jul 5, 2019 22:18:38 GMT 5
I’m favoring the lions on the land , due to home advantage , powerful jaws and claws and weight advantage , two lions would eventually overwhelm the walrus , after a very very long time , but they were out diffusion prevail IMO , in the water it is mostly in favor of the walrus
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Post by dinosauria101 on Jul 5, 2019 22:20:01 GMT 5
I’m favoring the lions on the land , due to home advantage , powerful jaws and claws and weight advantage The walrus is over 3 times larger than the lions together, and I have yet to see a good argument for how they can get through the blubber. What is your reasoning?
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Post by leo on Jul 5, 2019 22:25:29 GMT 5
I’m favoring the lions on the land , due to home advantage , powerful jaws and claws and weight advantage The walrus is over 3 times larger than the lions together, and I have yet to see a good argument for how they can get through the blubber. What is your reasoning? Basically, what theworldofanimals.proboards.com/user/6 said is why I am going with the lions here , he seams to have better reasoning than anyone here for who would win IMO
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