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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 11, 2019 17:20:50 GMT 5
Average hippo (Wikimedia Commons) vs Allosaurus fragilis (UUVP 6000, by Hartman) Hippo is scaled to 50-60 cm skull length while Allosaurus fragilis is 8.8 meters TL (stretched out, I think). Scalebar is one meter. On the bottom is skulls for each, both from Wikimedia Commons. Hippo skull is about 50-60 cm, give or take a few cm, while Allosaurus fragilis skull is about 85 cm not from the mandible, give or take a few cm. Scalebar is 10 cm.  |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 4:01:50 GMT 5
Sue the Tyrannosaurus rex (12.3 meters, ~8 tonnes or a bit more) vs OMNH 1670 Apatosaurus (28.3 meters, ~52 tonnes, less than half grown) and the paratype of Mamenchisaurus sinocanadorum (35 meters, 75 tonnes). Skeletals are by Hartman, Hartman, and Greg Paul respectively, scalebar (on left) is 1 meter.  |
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Post by jdangerousdinosaur on Dec 12, 2019 5:07:29 GMT 5
How come when it comes to Carnosaurus or sauropods or well any other animal you can give their exact weight no problem but when it comes to Sue you can never say 8.4 tons if you use Hartmans old Sue or 8.8 tons if you use Franoys ? Especially after you have been told countless times on discord what the estimates are ? Its almost like you don't like stating that Tyrannosaurus masses more than 8 tons. Also, how come you keep over sizing Mapu ? When you have been told on discord 13.6 meters is most probably an over estimate ? Sure it's not favouritism ?
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Post by roninwolf1981 on Dec 12, 2019 5:14:45 GMT 5
Got a question: has there ever been a size comparison of a Triceratops horridus vs a Columbian mammoth or a Woolly mammoth using Scott Hartman skeletals?
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 6:21:59 GMT 5
roninwolf1981 You betcha! I've got size charts previously posted on this thread as attachments exactly as you described and will update and repost them with Hartman's AND GetAwayTrike's Trike skeletals. jdangerousdinosaur It's just a size comparison. No need for concern or anything.
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Post by jdangerousdinosaur on Dec 12, 2019 6:29:26 GMT 5
Ahhh well if its no concern it should not be too much of an issue to state that Sue and also scotty are estimated to mass over 8.4 to 8.8 tons and your Mapu is oversized.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 6:32:06 GMT 5
What Mapu? There's no Mapusaurus in that size comparison, and I did say at or somewhat above 8 tonnes, didn't I?
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Post by jdangerousdinosaur on Dec 12, 2019 6:36:29 GMT 5
The one on the size comp above it with the oversized Triceratops. You were shown on discord how that Trike is way oversized and you have been told that a 13.6-meter long Mapu is unlikely with the current fossil evidence there is no 13.6-meter long estimate in any current literature. And yeh you did but when it comes to everything else you state its exact size no problem but with Sue it's somewhat above 8 tonnes even though once again on the discord you were told both Sue and Scotty round closer to 9 tons. Stating Sue is only somewhat above 8 tonnes is misleading. I mean when you post an oversized Mapu you state its exact weight of 8.6 tons it's never somewhat above 8 tonnes....why is that ? ....
These are the exact issues to why certain people get pissed with you because you don't listen and just carry on doing the same things even when countless people point out the mistakes you are making.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 6:45:43 GMT 5
Forgot to put the disclaimer I did in the mastodon vs Mapusaurus size comp. I'll add it in now.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 15:32:03 GMT 5
roninwolf1981 , here's the first set of size comps This is the Siegsdorf woolly mammoth (350 cm shoulder height, 8 tonnes) vs BYU 12183 and UCMP 128561 Triceratops (scaled to 2.5 and 2.7 meter skulls respectively, 8.6 and 11 tonnes respectively). Skeletal for the mammoth is by Larramendi while the Trike skeletal is by Hartman and the outline of the bigger Trike's head is by Eofauna. Scalebar is 1 meter.  And here's the Siegsdorf mammoth vs GetAwayTrike's Triceratops, which would be up to 14 tonnes when scaled to the dimensions of UCMP 128561. The person is 1.8 meters tall, the mammoth is 3.5 meters shoulder height and the Triceratops is 9 meters TL  Take note of how much beefier the ceratopsian is in both cases; it looks visually smaller but has quite a bit more mass
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 17:56:16 GMT 5
Now with Columbian mammoth This is the Denver Columbian mammoth (372 cm shoulder height, 9 tonnes) vs BYU 12183 and UCMP 128561 Triceratops (scaled to 2.5 and 2.7 meter skulls respectively, 8.6 and 11 tonnes respectively). Skeletal for the mammoth is by Larramendi while the Trike skeletal is by Hartman and the outline of the bigger Trike's head is by Eofauna.  And this is with GetAwayTrike's UCMP 128561 - up to 14 tonnes, scaled to 9 meters TL  |
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Post by spartan on Dec 12, 2019 18:12:04 GMT 5
Take note of how much beefier the ceratopsian is in both cases; it looks visually smaller but has quite a bit more mass It doesn't really look smaller and of course it has more mass if you keep using the ridiculous size estimate of 14000kg. |
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Post by dinosauria101 on Dec 12, 2019 18:14:14 GMT 5
Take note of how much beefier the ceratopsian is in both cases; it looks visually smaller but has quite a bit more mass It doesn't really look smaller and of course it has more mass if you keep using the ridiculous size estimate of 14000kg. I said it depends on the skeletals used. Based on all the best skeletals we have, the largest Triceratops could be anywhere from 11-14 tonnes, never denied that. To be fair, on the other thing, you do have a point; it's subjective and it may not look the same to all. Maybe I should say 'take note of how much more mass the ceratopsian has despite its lower shoulder height' |
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Post by spartan on Dec 12, 2019 19:10:07 GMT 5
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Post by jdangerousdinosaur on Dec 12, 2019 20:50:11 GMT 5
He has been told frequently on the discord that that Triceratops is way to large but hey he won't listen.
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