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Post by Supercommunist on Oct 6, 2023 0:51:19 GMT 5
Cockatoo chopping through wood to get to food.
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Just goes to show that a ceratopsians beak were also probably pretty gnarly weapons.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Oct 6, 2023 4:02:45 GMT 5
^For what it’s worth Thomas R. Holtz expects the large ceratopsids like Triceratops to have been able to bite harder than T. rex. It would be nice to have a study to confirm how hard Triceratops could bite once and for all, but we're probably talking really strong bites coupled with sharp, hooked beaks.
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"...the expectation is the strongest bite in all Dinosauria is not Tyrannosaurus. The Triceratops and the other giant ceratopsids probably blew Tyrannosaurus out of the water with the actual amount of force they could generate with a bite."
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Post by Exalt on Oct 6, 2023 4:05:34 GMT 5
What would they have been using all of that force for?
I don't imagine they'd need it to deal with trees since they are already so large. Would it be caused by a pressure from intraspecific combat, that might also help to defend against predators?
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Post by Infinity Blade on Oct 6, 2023 4:16:12 GMT 5
What would they have been using all of that force for?
I don't imagine they'd need it to deal with trees since they are already so large. Would it be caused by a pressure from intraspecific combat, that might also help to defend against predators?
If they did indeed bite that hard (or hell, even if not, because they had to have been biting "hard" to SOME extent), I think it would have been some adaptation for whatever vegetation they had to process, but also, yes, I suppose combat and defense. As far as I'm aware, ceratopsians always had skulls that could exert impressive bite forces, even during the ages that they were just small bipeds, so it's not hard to imagine ceratopsians as a whole biting in combat. We know for a fact that Protoceratops bit predators; it doesn't take a huge leap of faith to believe that ceratopsids retained this behavior from whatever hornless but frilled (basically, probably protoceratopsid-like) ancestors they evolved from.
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Post by Supercommunist on Oct 6, 2023 4:29:59 GMT 5
Wouldn't safety factor be an issue? From what Iunderstand beaks aren't asdurable as toothy jaws.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Oct 6, 2023 4:35:59 GMT 5
Maybe, and it is true that neither keratin nor bone are as hard as enamel. But it may also be that large ceratopsids "accepted" these lower safety factors if they really did bite this hard.
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Post by Exalt on Oct 6, 2023 4:47:33 GMT 5
Huh, I never would have imagined plants being THAT tough without them literally biting strong trees.
Wait, are you telling me that they started getting the characteristic ceratopsian features before becoming quadrupedal?
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Post by Supercommunist on Oct 14, 2023 0:17:25 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Nov 11, 2023 3:37:37 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Nov 14, 2023 8:58:24 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Dec 4, 2023 8:54:45 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Dec 24, 2023 6:46:13 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 19, 2024 3:41:42 GMT 5
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Post by Supercommunist on Mar 3, 2024 4:20:25 GMT 5
In regards to the theropod vs komodo teeth comparison one paper pointed out that komodos don't have many front teeth to enable to them to tongue flick. So on top of having larger skulls and more evenly spaced serrations, predatory theropods had another biting advantage over komodos. phys.org/news/2024-02-adult-komodo-teeth-similar-theropod.html
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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 9, 2024 4:10:39 GMT 5
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