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Post by Supercommunist on May 11, 2024 10:46:26 GMT 5
Found a crazy account on a subreddit about police brutality. Second nastiest human bite I have ever seen. Beaten only by the bath salts guy. Very NSFW. Man bites a chunk of flesh from a police officers head, www.mypanhandle.com/news/local-news/holmes-county/graphic-florida-man-bites-chunk-out-of-deputys-head-sheriff-says/Generally speaking, most self defense/martial artists deride the human bite as a pretty subpar. At worst it could mangle something soft, like a nose, lip, or ear and maybe a finger but often time those wounds don't actually debilitate and would just escalate the fight and just encourage the other guy to brutalize you if they are the better fighter. They had some good points but this account does show that a human bite can be super gnarly.
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 11, 2024 14:52:04 GMT 5
Of course it was Florida man…
But on a serious note, one half of me isn’t too surprised by this level of damage.
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Post by Shri devi on May 16, 2024 6:14:12 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jun 17, 2024 20:07:57 GMT 5
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Post by Supercommunist on Jun 28, 2024 6:35:13 GMT 5
I recall reading an article that claimed wolves typically kill each other with a single bite to the skull. This observation does not line up with the videos of wolf intraspecific conflict/predation on dogs/coyotes I have seen.
Personally I suspect that there is an opposite of a survivorship bias going. I don't think wolves are often able to kill each other with a single bite, I suspect that wolves usually survive attacks from conspecifics and the ones that usually end up dying are the unlucky ones that got killed by a lucky bite to the head.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jul 5, 2024 8:01:57 GMT 5
Mandibular force profiles of Alioramini (Theropoda: Tyrannosauridae) with implications for palaeoecology of this unique lineage of tyrannosaurid dinosaurs
It's interesting that the maximum prey body mass of both alioramins is still estimated to be significantly greater than their own, something I suspected to be true (although, the supplementary info of the paper this one cites implicitly admits that these equations can be underestimates of actual maximum prey size).
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Post by Supercommunist on Jul 14, 2024 0:06:29 GMT 5
In regards to smilodon, while I do think it was a formidable predator and fighter, I think its big game hunting abilities was seriously overestimated and it would actually have a harder time punching way above its weight than a similar sized cat with more standard dentition (though it would have been better equipped to kill typical upper end sized prey like bison). So the most direct evidence would be an isotope study that found smilodon had a strong preference for smaller, and probably relatively slow prey like ground sloths. www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08912963.2021.1933468?journalCode=ghbi20In fairness to smilodon, lions also have a strong preference for warthogs despite being smaller than their predicted prefered prey mean mass because they are small enough to be easily restrained (relatively anyway) while also being slower than lions (though still fast). Therefore it's not surprising that smilodon would have loved to eat smaller ground sloths if they were available. Still, I think their sabre teeth presents problems. While people overstate how delicate they are, they are still more prone to damage than standard cat canines, and macropredatory cats themselves often suffer canine breakage fairly early in life. Males suffer higher a higher rate of tooth breakage than females. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2028.1997.068-89068.x^There is a neat chart in the full study that sums up the kind of teeth wear leopards suffer based on their ages. The study notes that even wear becomes apparent on the canines by age 3. A graph in this study states that about 10 percent of amur tigers between the ages of 4 to 7 had a broken canine. Granted the study also suggests that people overestimate how bad a broken canine is, but smilodon does seem like it would be more reliant on having quality teeth. zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-7998.2011.00819.xSo yeah, I suspect that in order to prevent their teeth from being smashed too early in life smilodon would have usually limited itself to prey that modern lions and tigers could usually subdue as well. The smilodon would have been better at restraining large bovines and killing them quickly but I doubt they would have been the rhino and sub adult mammoth killers they are often potrayed as because trying to bite such a large thrashing animal would have been hard on their sabre teeth,
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jul 15, 2024 1:59:42 GMT 5
In regards to smilodon, while I do think it was a formidable predator and fighter, I think its big game hunting abilities was seriously overestimated and it would actually have a harder time punching way above its weight than a similar sized cat with more standard dentition (though it would have been better equipped to kill typical upper end sized prey like bison). So the most direct evidence would be an isotope study that found smilodon had a strong preference for smaller, and probably relatively slow prey like ground sloths. www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08912963.2021.1933468?journalCode=ghbi20In fairness to smilodon, lions also have a strong preference for warthogs despite being smaller than their predicted prefered prey mean mass because they are small enough to be easily restrained (relatively anyway) while also being slower than lions (though still fast). Therefore it's not surprising that smilodon would have loved to eat smaller ground sloths if they were available. Still, I think their sabre teeth presents problems. While people overstate how delicate they are, they are still more prone to damage than standard cat canines, and macropredatory cats themselves often suffer canine breakage fairly early in life. Males suffer higher a higher rate of tooth breakage than females. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2028.1997.068-89068.x^There is a neat chart in the full study that sums up the kind of teeth wear leopards suffer based on their ages. The study notes that even wear becomes apparent on the canines by age 3. A graph in this study states that about 10 percent of amur tigers between the ages of 4 to 7 had a broken canine. Granted the study also suggests that people overestimate how bad a broken canine is, but smilodon does seem like it would be more reliant on having quality teeth. zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1469-7998.2011.00819.xSo yeah, I suspect that in order to prevent their teeth from being smashed too early in life smilodon would have usually limited itself to prey that modern lions and tigers could usually subdue as well. The smilodon would have been better at restraining large bovines and killing them quickly but I doubt they would have been the rhino and sub adult mammoth killers they are often potrayed as because trying to bite such a large thrashing animal would have been hard on their sabre teeth, There was a book chapter explaining that while scimitar-toothed cats had a "default bite" (using only the incisors) to fall back on if something was too large for their canine bite, dirk-toothed cats didn't have one. Ergo, anything that was too wide for their canine bite was too big to be preyed on, period. Modern conical-toothed cats will basically eat their prey to death like canids or hyaenids if they're too big for a suffocating throat bite or skull bite, and it's concluded that lions (given enough time and enough lions) are able to take prey out of reach of what a Smilodon could hunt for this reason. www.google.com/books/edition/The_Other_Saber_tooths/2GjhrKO9y74C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=default%20bite
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Post by Supercommunist on Jul 15, 2024 2:16:56 GMT 5
I find it a bit weird how cats like homotherium are call scimitar teethed while Smilodon with longer teeth are called dirk toothed.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jul 16, 2024 6:12:35 GMT 5
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Post by Supercommunist on Jul 29, 2024 8:44:07 GMT 5
So, I heard that current consensus is that Masiakasaurus was a fossorial hunter and that there is no evidence that it was adapted to eating fish.
Just curious, could its weird teeth be an effective tool for catching fish, or was it poorly designed for that task?
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jul 30, 2024 3:17:29 GMT 5
So, I heard that current consensus is that Masiakasaurus was a fossorial hunter and that there is no evidence that it was adapted to eating fish. Just curious, could its weird teeth be an effective tool for catching fish, or was it poorly designed for that task? For whatever it's worth, Prehistoric Planet depicts Masiakasaurus as more of a hunter of small terrestrial vertebrates (which, yes, it's just a documentary, but it does reflect what the scientific advisors think of its paleobiology), but I don't think fish are necessarily off the table, just maybe not what the teeth were primarily for. Interestingly, tyrannosaurids also had some procumbent dentary teeth (albeit to a lesser extent), and it's believed that this allowed them to bite flesh and bone off a body part that's gently curved (like the rib cage or abdomen). Since it's even more pronounced in Masiakasaurus, I think logically this would also apply to it. palaeo-electronica.org/content/2019/2806-dental-features-in-theropods?fbclid=IwAR1RRVN27zpDnJKZFdYKM9HTJOsP5Z_ZTmprSiFenfljC6P49piirTv8gCM
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Post by Supercommunist on Jul 30, 2024 3:28:47 GMT 5
So, I heard that current consensus is that Masiakasaurus was a fossorial hunter and that there is no evidence that it was adapted to eating fish. Just curious, could its weird teeth be an effective tool for catching fish, or was it poorly designed for that task? For whatever it's worth, Prehistoric Planet depicts Masiakasaurus as more of a hunter of small terrestrial vertebrates (which, yes, it's just a documentary, but it does reflect what the scientific advisors think of its paleobiology), but I don't think fish are necessarily off the table, just maybe not what the teeth were primarily for. Interestingly, tyrannosaurids also had some procumbent dentary teeth (albeit to a lesser extent), and it's believed that this allowed them to bite flesh and bone off a body part that's gently curved (like the rib cage or abdomen). Since it's even more pronounced in Masiakasaurus, I think logically this would also apply to it. palaeo-electronica.org/content/2019/2806-dental-features-in-theropods?fbclid=IwAR1RRVN27zpDnJKZFdYKM9HTJOsP5Z_ZTmprSiFenfljC6P49piirTv8gCMYou know, a dinosaur with a spinosaurid like jaw and Masiakasaurus style seems like the perfect build for a small, terrestrial prey specialist.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jul 30, 2024 8:55:50 GMT 5
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Post by dinosauria101 on Sept 3, 2024 5:10:37 GMT 5
Maybe an unusual request, but does anyone know of any studies on the mechanisms of horsefly or deerfly mouthparts? I would look for one myself but I get really grossed out by the far too common images on the internet of horseflies and deerflies biting people.
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