Post by theropod on Jul 4, 2019 2:33:34 GMT 5
As I wrote, the comparison is complicated due to most figures for crocodilians being based on in vivo measurements, so this isn’t the best situation for comparison. But Bates & Falkingham provided estimates using their methodology for an Alligator with a 53 cm skull: 5.7 kN (posterior). If we follow Randomdinos, Deinosuchus skulls can reach 153 cm, so isometric scaling would indicate about 47.5 kN for such a specimen, slightly lower than T. rex (the equivalent T. rex figure was 57.2 kN). But of course this is extrapolating very far in terms of body size range.
Purussaurus is even more problematic because its skull morphology is very different. I’ll wager we should expect a proportionately (to skull or body size) harder bite from it due to how massively it is constructed, but that isn’t quantifiable or verifiable without a proper analysis, which hasn’t been done so far. Most of the other giant crocodilians are relatively slender-snouted and probably wouldn’t be serious contenders, even if their bite forces were still respectable.
Livyatan would of course bite harder than T. rex pretty much certainly, and by a significant margin, even if there is currently no basis for anything but a ballpark estimate for it.
Some giant temnodontosaurine ichthyosaurs, as has been briefly discussed to before, were likely also serious contenders (if not for the hardest bite force in the animal kingdom, then at least for bite forces exceeding that of T. rex by a significant margin), with a Temnodontosaurus platyodon with a ~2m skull estimated to reach over 30 kN (that is roughly comparable to the giant carcharodontosaurines, or a little over half that of T. rex) and we know there were far larger and more raptorial ichthyosaurs, which would likely have bitten considerably harder. McGowan estimated an isolated quadrate possibly referrable to T. platyodon to have come from a 2.5m skull, which would bring the bite force into a similar territory to Deinosuchus and approach that of T. rex. As I mentioned before, the largest isolated ichthyosaur teeth from the Lower Jurassic are actually twice as large as the largest ones in T. platyodon, which means 4 times the bite force when scaling isometrically. Although of course it would not be prudent to put much weight to estimates only based on isolated teeth, this is in megalodon territory (and of course megalodon’s estimates are also based on isolated teeth, so that is a fair comparison).
That being said, more reliably, the largest temnodontosaurine ichthyosaurs actually known from postcranial material seem to be around 70% larger than the large T. platyodon for which the bite force estimate was made (assuming its skull length when complete was around 2m, it would likely have had a TL of around 9m) in terms of body size, which could imply a bite force 3 times higher. As the likely owners of the large teeth, their skulls might have been proportionately shorter, but more robust, more comparable to T. eurycephalus, just giant-sized, so it seems reasonably conservative to scale bite force isometrically with body size.
This of course remains highly speculative as long as these ichthyosaurs are so fragmentary and understudied, and as long as Moon’s bite force estimate remains unpublished.
Purussaurus is even more problematic because its skull morphology is very different. I’ll wager we should expect a proportionately (to skull or body size) harder bite from it due to how massively it is constructed, but that isn’t quantifiable or verifiable without a proper analysis, which hasn’t been done so far. Most of the other giant crocodilians are relatively slender-snouted and probably wouldn’t be serious contenders, even if their bite forces were still respectable.
Livyatan would of course bite harder than T. rex pretty much certainly, and by a significant margin, even if there is currently no basis for anything but a ballpark estimate for it.
Some giant temnodontosaurine ichthyosaurs, as has been briefly discussed to before, were likely also serious contenders (if not for the hardest bite force in the animal kingdom, then at least for bite forces exceeding that of T. rex by a significant margin), with a Temnodontosaurus platyodon with a ~2m skull estimated to reach over 30 kN (that is roughly comparable to the giant carcharodontosaurines, or a little over half that of T. rex) and we know there were far larger and more raptorial ichthyosaurs, which would likely have bitten considerably harder. McGowan estimated an isolated quadrate possibly referrable to T. platyodon to have come from a 2.5m skull, which would bring the bite force into a similar territory to Deinosuchus and approach that of T. rex. As I mentioned before, the largest isolated ichthyosaur teeth from the Lower Jurassic are actually twice as large as the largest ones in T. platyodon, which means 4 times the bite force when scaling isometrically. Although of course it would not be prudent to put much weight to estimates only based on isolated teeth, this is in megalodon territory (and of course megalodon’s estimates are also based on isolated teeth, so that is a fair comparison).
That being said, more reliably, the largest temnodontosaurine ichthyosaurs actually known from postcranial material seem to be around 70% larger than the large T. platyodon for which the bite force estimate was made (assuming its skull length when complete was around 2m, it would likely have had a TL of around 9m) in terms of body size, which could imply a bite force 3 times higher. As the likely owners of the large teeth, their skulls might have been proportionately shorter, but more robust, more comparable to T. eurycephalus, just giant-sized, so it seems reasonably conservative to scale bite force isometrically with body size.
This of course remains highly speculative as long as these ichthyosaurs are so fragmentary and understudied, and as long as Moon’s bite force estimate remains unpublished.