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Post by Supercommunist on Mar 26, 2016 6:14:41 GMT 5
Got engaged in a debate/flame war over the newly implemented fall damage mechanic on "The Isle". Apparently dinosaurs are now shattering their legs from 2 foot stumbles. Some players are claiming they are fine with this mechanic because its realistic but I countered that multi ton elephants seem to endure worse falls just fine. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn8CVh1Z4FUSome posters replied that you couldn't compare the two due to vastly different bone structures, and while that is true to an extent, I still sincerely doubt a 2 foot drop could put a dinosaur like tyrannosaurus out of action. Can one of you physic guys verify or debunk my claim? I would really appreciate it. |
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 26, 2016 7:47:03 GMT 5
Is there any reason to suggest that the legs of dinosaurs would fare any worse due to their bone structures?
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Post by Supercommunist on Mar 26, 2016 9:55:14 GMT 5
^That was because that point was directed specifically towards theropods like tyrannosaurus. Nobody could formulate an argument when I brought up more robust dinosaurs like triceratops.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 26, 2016 18:03:17 GMT 5
In case those people haven't realized, elephants themselves have quite long leg bones that aren't exactly optimal for withstanding stress. It's also worth mentioning that their long bones aren't as thickly shafted as those of something by the likes of Tyrannosaurus.
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Post by Supercommunist on Mar 27, 2016 4:34:56 GMT 5
Meh I may have exaggerated, but the brown nosers were being ridiculously obnoxious with their straw manning and constant use of the word "salty". Anyway, despite the semi toxic community, and the current patch that renders many dinosaurs crippled, I think would enjoy playing the isl.
Just so I don't competently off topic, there is another well known video where a circus elephant fell of a six foot platform. While it was stunned for a good while it apparently didn't sustain any permanent or serious injuries. I think people have the tendency to over or under exaggerate the amount of damage a fall would do to a large animal.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 27, 2016 4:53:54 GMT 5
Can you post it?
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Post by Supercommunist on Mar 27, 2016 11:37:50 GMT 5
store.steampowered.com/app/376210/I would tell you to watch gameplay footage on youtube, but to be brutally honest, the larger channels featuring high quality footage of the game sound incredibly obnoxious. Should note its still in alpha and is not complete yet, but if you buy at this point it's cheaper.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Mar 27, 2016 18:17:07 GMT 5
I meant the video of the elephant you mentioned in your previous post.
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Post by creature386 on Mar 27, 2016 18:56:03 GMT 5
All I can say is that the burden of proof is among the claimers. Saying that theropods have toothpick legs seems to be an a priori assumption inferred from the fact that theropods had pneumatic bones (which is an overrated factor anyway). In some other threads, we collected evidence that theropods had to survive hard fights, so they can't have been that fragile.
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Post by Supercommunist on Mar 28, 2016 4:12:02 GMT 5
I'm afraid proboards will consider it animal cruelty so I won't but you can find it easily yourself. Just type, circus elephant falls, and you should find it.
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Post by blaze on Apr 13, 2016 0:49:58 GMT 5
The easiest way to resolve it would be to search the safety factor of animal bones, I think it's about 4 times body weight? though it varies among species, as long as the force acting on the bone is lower than the safety factor it shouldn't break.
I think that at least any fall shorter than half the articulated leg length should be survivable otherwise they would break their legs just by taking a single step, so 1.5m for a T. rex.
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