|
|
Post by creature386 on Jan 2, 2015 15:52:17 GMT 5
Guys, I didn't want to turn it into a Republican vs Democrat debate! It is still in the religion forum. Anyway, to give my opinion, I lean towards the Democrat side. However, I have to agree that there is a good point that can be made in favor of the Republicans. They appear to be more peaceful. Even though Bush was among the worst presidents in American history, the Democrats overall participated in more wars. blurbrain.com/american-soldiers-gone-war-democratic-presidents/ |
|
|
|
Post by malikc6 on Jan 2, 2015 16:12:29 GMT 5
Humans are flawed regardless what system is there. History repeats itself and no one learns anything, and the ones that do are forgotten. That's all I have to say. There needs to be something beyond our nature, or a change in our nature. Republican, Democrat, green party, etc.. It makes no difference.
Pick your poison humans.
|
|
|
|
Post by creature386 on Jan 2, 2015 17:42:27 GMT 5
Of course none is perfect, but one can view certain systems as worse than others. I believe people should work with what they have in elections and not request supernatural things.
|
|
|
|
Post by theropod on Jan 2, 2015 19:23:29 GMT 5
@oldgrizz: Smoking wasn’t forbidden in the US the last time I checked, just restricted so as to not endanger people who don’t want to take part in it (which is actually a great example of what smoking regulations should be).
If eating fast food means forcing other people around you to do the same, that would and should certainly also be restricted. Luckily there’s no such thing as passive consumption of fast food, because while we breathe the air (and poisonous gases) around us constantly, we only eat a few times a day, and are free to choose what we eat.
You know full well that this also applies to exposure to sun. People are not forced to do it, they can if they like to, and if they know their skin can stand it–it’s their own fault if they overdo it regularly and eventually get cancer. Someone smoking in a public place on the other hand endangers others. For the same reason, people shouldn’t be allowed to carry guns or explosives around in public, or radioactive substances and bioweapons. And saying so is not arousing irrational fears, it’s a medical fact.
That being said, lung cancer is also a few stages above skin cancer in terms of mortality rates…
I don’t care whether it’s republicans or democrats that are "better", almost all politicians I know of are incompetent in some regards, but some are more dangerous than others. So far, Obama seems to have at least done better than Bush (and not just because of his skin colour). Also it naturally seems strange to me that one should have to choose from only two parties in the first place.
|
|
|
|
Post by malikc6 on Jan 3, 2015 2:20:36 GMT 5
Of course none is perfect, but one can view certain systems as worse than others. I believe people should work with what they have in elections and not request supernatural things. I think that people should become more educated and seek for the truth. A lot of people who think they know everything really only know a small amount. |
|
|
|
Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 3, 2015 7:33:19 GMT 5
So far, Obama seems to have at least done better than Bush - In a pigs eye! The world has lost respect for America. Obama has shrunk our military and allows the terrorists to as they please. I don't believe he is stupid as many believe. I believe that Obama is Islamic at heart. Oh, and there is no proof that second hand smoke is dangerous. I have yet to know anyone in my entre life whose death is the result of tobacco. And yes, the government is trying to control our diets. As of 2015, doughnut recipes will be government controlled.
What would be wrong with restaurants and nightclubs having the right to decide whether their establishments are smoking or non-smoking? Then they have the freedom of choice; as would the customers. [/b][/b]
|
|
|
|
Post by malikc6 on Jan 3, 2015 7:40:10 GMT 5
So far, Obama seems to have at least done better than Bush - In a pigs eye! The world has lost respect for America. Obama has shrunk our military and allows the terrorists to as they please. I don't believe he is stupid as many believe. I believe that Obama is Islamic at heart. Oh, and there is no proof that second hand smoke is dangerous. I have yet to know anyone in my entre life whose death is the result of tobacco. And yes, the government is trying to control our diets. As of 2015, doughnut recipes will be government controlled.
What would be wrong with restaurants and nightclubs having the right to decide whether their establishments are smoking or non-smoking? Then they have the freedom of choice; as would the customers. [/b][/b] [/quote] Not a good idea to post this man. I am for freedom of speech, but there may be people on this forum who will get into it with you over this post. Just saying, you might get into drama with others. |
|
|
|
Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 3, 2015 8:18:42 GMT 5
What I have learned from these posts: this younger generation is ripe. Adolf Hitler would love you guys. You actually believe that you are better off with a government that makes your decisions for you - "for your own good" - You are not adult enough to know where to smoke. You are not adult enough to decide if you should "buckle-up". You are not adult enough to hitch hike when you are stranded. You are not adult enough to decide what you want to eat.
You are not smart enough to know that for every pack of cigarettes sold, the government receives over 50% profit; and makes money every time someone pays a fine for smoking where not allowed ( just about anywhere ). You are content living in a nation where you have to hide your beer and your cigarettes. I feel sorry for you boys. You young ones have never tasted freedom. The next elected democrat will once again raise the issue of gun control. I have no doubts that you boys will gladly give up that right - for your own good.
|
|
|
|
Post by malikc6 on Jan 3, 2015 8:57:18 GMT 5
What I have learned from these posts: this younger generation is ripe. Adolf Hitler would love you guys. You actually believe that you are better off with a government that makes your decisions for you - "for your own good" - You are not adult enough to know where to smoke. You are not adult enough to decide if you should "buckle-up". You are not adult enough to hitch hike when you are stranded. You are not adult enough to decide what you want to eat.
You are not smart enough to know that for every pack of cigarettes sold, the government receives over 50% profit; and makes money every time someone pays a fine for smoking where not allowed ( just about anywhere ). You are content living in a nation where you have to hide your beer and your cigarettes. I feel sorry for you boys. You young ones have never tasted freedom. The next elected democrat will once again raise the issue of gun control. I have no doubts that you boys will gladly give up that right - for your own good. God my grandpas would like you. |
|
|
|
Post by creature386 on Jan 3, 2015 14:36:22 GMT 5
0ldgrizzIn the year 2013, America's military expenditures were as high as those of Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany, the UK, Japan and South Korea TOGETHER. Do you really need they must get higher? And do you really think having a strong military makes a country get admired? I don't think he has an Islamic heart, I think he merely realized that the war against terror failed.
|
|
|
|
Post by theropod on Jan 3, 2015 17:29:42 GMT 5
I wouldn’t exactly call Obama’s actions so far particularly pacifist, but maybe he’s just conscient of the fact that starting wars and having a disproportionately large military is not what gains you respect (and that still having such a large military actually is why people have lost it in the first place). And I guarantee you, we had far less respect for Bush.
I find it hard to believe someone your age hasn't known people who've died from tobacco, after all even I have and you've basically been boasting with your age and insulting my generation for pages now.
If you want to rant about today’s youth and deny the detrimental effects of tobacco smoke, feel free to do that, I’m sure there are creationist forums where those aren’t too rarely held beliefs.
|
|
|
|
Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 3, 2015 20:53:26 GMT 5
Some people prefer a life of security where their government controls their health and safety while others such as myself prefer to make our own decisions while being informed of such things as the effects of tobacco and the dangers of being in a car without the use of seat belts. As for war; when the people are being murdered by another country or some organized "brotherhood", then it is indeed time to go to war. There are those who choose peace and to turn their heads from all wrong doings and there are those such as myself who believe that their government should keep a strong military so as to protect those they serve.
|
|
|
|
Post by creature386 on Jan 3, 2015 23:22:56 GMT 5
Can't we just find a compromise between regulation and absolute freedom? I can understand that you don't want the government to control every step to make, but I don't see why it is so terrible to wait until you are an adult if you want to smoke or own a gun.
As for the War on Terror, murder in some countries is no excuse for breaking international laws, attacking countries because they are allegedly a danger (Iraq) and spying certain countries for almost no reason.
Besides, do you really think the reason for the US wars is helping people? How come the US only cares for countries in trouble that have resources? And how come the US doesn't condemn countries with a horrible human rights record as long as they cooperate with the US (like Saudi Arabia)?
|
|
|
|
Post by theropod on Jan 4, 2015 0:00:47 GMT 5
I’m not saying everything is great as it is. For example imo the government should instate stricter regulations regarding firearms instead of telling people to wear seatbelts. But I also don’t think forcing people to wear seatbelts is something one worth complaining about.
But how exactly is the US military not strong enough as it is? The US have by far the largest military expenditure in the world, both per capita and in absolute terms (yes, bigger than countries 3-4 times bigger by population!). Does what creature already mentioned sound like a small military?
And you can’t tell me you really believe their purpose is to defend human rights elsewhere. It’s to defend US commercial interests where they exist!
There are such things as proportionality and international law, and killing just as many civilians in the process of "fighting terrorism" without even being successful (plausibly sparking even more acts of terrorism) isn’t compatible with them. The acts of some religious sect are no justification to invade a country or start a war.
|
|
|
|
Post by 0ldgrizz on Jan 4, 2015 2:16:49 GMT 5
By eating away at our rights, especially freedom of choice ( the right to make decisions for ourselves ) and making such insignificant decisions such as how much sugar or fats should be allowed in a doughnut simply gets the people used to being controlled. Our younger generation simply sees this as normal because they have never experienced life when a person was allowed to make his own decisions. America is ripe for a dictator to take full control. Obama is himself a socialist.
And this new generation prefers to sit on their hands while innocent people are being beheaded. Turn your backs and pretend it isn't happening; after all, it isn't your heads - yet. *I'm finished with this topic - it is pointless to argue with those who refuse to open their eyes.
|
|
