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Post by DinosaurMichael on May 31, 2013 6:03:10 GMT 5
50/50 with a slight edge towards the Spotted Hyena due to it's stronger bite, slight weight advantage and durability/pain tolerance.
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Post by Runic on May 31, 2013 6:16:06 GMT 5
50/50 with a slight edge towards the Spotted Hyena due to it's stronger bite, slight weight advantage and durability/pain tolerance. It's stronger bite is cancelled out by the wolves superior killing jaws.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on May 31, 2013 17:04:29 GMT 5
50/50 with a slight edge towards the Spotted Hyena due to it's stronger bite, slight weight advantage and durability/pain tolerance. It's stronger bite is cancelled out by the wolves superior killing jaws. How is a superior killing bite much better than a stronger bite? Just wondering that's all.
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Post by Runic on May 31, 2013 19:29:02 GMT 5
It's stronger bite is cancelled out by the wolves superior killing jaws. How is a superior killing bite much better than a stronger bite? Just wondering that's all. Simple question. Would you rather be bitten by a shark (superior killing jaws) or a crocodile (stronger bite)
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Post by DinosaurMichael on May 31, 2013 19:44:05 GMT 5
How is a superior killing bite much better than a stronger bite? Just wondering that's all. Simple question. Would you rather be bitten by a shark (superior killing jaws) or a crocodile (stronger bite) Wait so a Wolf's bite is more similiar to a sharks? I thought they had a bone crushing bite as well only not as strong as Hyenas.
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Post by Runic on May 31, 2013 20:04:57 GMT 5
Simple question. Would you rather be bitten by a shark (superior killing jaws) or a crocodile (stronger bite) Wait so a Wolf's bite is more similiar to a sharks? I thought they had a bone crushing bite as well only not as strong as Hyenas. Lol no, the analogy was just a comparison. What it was meant to show is that one animal can have a weaker bite, but still have a superior jaw (Wolves disembowel and grapple better with their mouth at the cost of a weaker biteforce). However there are some crushers that bite hard than hyena relative to body length, so I guess crushing bites are still effective.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on May 31, 2013 20:10:31 GMT 5
Wait so a Wolf's bite is more similiar to a sharks? I thought they had a bone crushing bite as well only not as strong as Hyenas. Lol no, the analogy was just a comparison. What it was meant to show is that one animal can have a weaker bite, but still have a superior jaw (Wolves disembowel and grapple better with their mouth at the cost of a weaker biteforce). However there are some crushers that bite hard than hyena relative to body length, so I guess crushing bites are still effective. Oh alright. I get what your saying now.
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Post by theropod on May 31, 2013 20:16:12 GMT 5
I agree with Grey, this is a very close match. Both are very impressive in the jaws department, but what Black Ice has shown here and on CF once more demonstrates bite force is not important without regards to jaw- and tooth-morphology.
I also think the strong bite force in hyaenas is largely an adaption for feeding and as already said, applied at the carnassials. It is not said it will be able to use it as effectively in a fight.
On the end result of this fights, I am undecided. The hyaena is a bit bigger and more robust, however the wolf is probably the better fighter and more athletic. For now I have to say 50/50
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Post by creature386 on May 31, 2013 21:45:33 GMT 5
Lol no, the analogy was just a comparison. What it was meant to show is that one animal can have a weaker bite, but still have a superior jaw (Wolves disembowel and grapple better with their mouth at the cost of a weaker biteforce). However there are some crushers that bite hard than hyena relative to body length, so I guess crushing bites are still effective. Oh alright. I get what your saying now. I read the relevant therad on carnivora, here is an image who strengthens Black Ice's argument: Source: A. R. Biknevicius; B. Van Valkenburgh; J. Walker; Incisor size and shape: implications for feeding behaviors in saber-toothed “cats”; Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology; Volume 16, Issue 3, 19 September 1996, Pages 510 - 521 There were far more images on carnivora, but I only wanted to post some, for showing some more information about the mouth grappling. Honestly, this information is quite new to me. I always thought hyenas were equal at mouth grappling.
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Post by Runic on May 31, 2013 22:05:26 GMT 5
Lol no one knew that till I blatantly decided to explain it to them. I got sick of all the "mismatch hyena" or "hyena wins much stronger bite" or "hyena survive lion attack" comments on that thread. I'm sure everyone read my one on one with vita(hyena) in Grey wolf v Spotted hyena? Quite the informative debate.
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Post by DinosaurMichael on May 31, 2013 23:30:32 GMT 5
Oh alright. I get what your saying now. I read the relevant therad on carnivora, here is an image who strengthens Black Ice's argument: Source: A. R. Biknevicius; B. Van Valkenburgh; J. Walker; Incisor size and shape: implications for feeding behaviors in saber-toothed “cats”; Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology; Volume 16, Issue 3, 19 September 1996, Pages 510 - 521 There were far more images on carnivora, but I only wanted to post some, for showing some more information about the mouth grappling. Honestly, this information is quite new to me. I always thought hyenas were equal at mouth grappling. I give the Wolf a better chance now. I'm calling it 50/50 now with either winning.
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Post by Runic on May 31, 2013 23:57:01 GMT 5
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Post by Vodmeister on Jun 2, 2013 22:26:22 GMT 5
Hyena's are actually bigger than Wolves. The largest Spotted Hyena's in Africa can weigh up to 200 pounds (female), Alpha male Grey Wolves max at 175 pounds. Nevertheless, I would back the Hyena, it's the larger, stronger animal, and has much more powerful jaws, not too mention legendary durability. www.youtube.com/watch?v=10QFwZdloGQCould a Wolf survive that? I think not. EDIT - Black Ice! you post here bro?
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Post by Runic on Jun 2, 2013 22:56:22 GMT 5
Yep I do. I got banned from CF anyways.
Wolves and hyenas weights are generally known to overlap. So why use max weights? Also most of the hyenas overrated bite force comes from the carnassials and molars to aid in feeding, I'm sure everyone here knows carnassial teeth are never really used in a fight?
Stronger animal is generally not entirely true, hyena have underdeveloped hind limbs and therefore I doubt at equal weights they would be overwhelming stronger as not only do wolves have a more powerful body all around but they also have larger triceps.
And hyena durability isn't really that legendary. Wolves been seen hunting elk while having holes in their skulls and broken teeth. Even bison kicks have been survived. I doubt a hyena is significantly more durable. The wolf would out aggression and out damage the hyena with it's superior killing jaws, aggression, and fighting style.
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Post by Runic on Jun 3, 2013 6:11:25 GMT 5
Vita(aka hyena) and full throttle from CF need to get a load of this since they think the skull of a hyena be it male or female is above a male wolf. From The Lonely Kill
The wolf broke into the eye orbit of the musk ox. Now I want someone to show me an account where a hyena actually broke the bones of an animal larger than it SOLO. I constantly hear this te hyenas stronger bit will break bones in the wolf yet I have never seen or read an account where a hyena brok the bones of the prey it hunted by itself. However wolves have! Solitary wolves will readily kill adult moose. When was the last time a hyena ever tackled something bigger with it'sbone crunching mythical bite? I'm not comparing prey size, but it seems the superior killing weaponry of the wolf allows it a larger prey size maximum. Lets take a note of te kill tactic of wolves,
The wolf will outfight, out grapple, and out damage the hyena in this fight.
Wolf 6/10 at near equal weights
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