What Cryptids are the most likely to exist

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Well infinity Blade I guess in part I owe you an apology.

When we were first talking I assumed I was talking to a man of about 19 years of age.

I just found out you are a 15 year old kid I would not be so offended if I knew that.   

You made some valid points and so did I
 
But as I said so did you

But I don't understand why I should explain my beliefs to 15 year old kid.

[Infinity Blade]

I just found out you are a 15 year old kid I would not be so offended if I knew that.

You made some valid points and so did I

But as I said so did you

But I don't understand why I should explain my beliefs to 15 year old kid.

?

I'm 21.

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Oh I see you were 15 when you wrote your profile 

21 yes that sounds about right 

That's good it means I can say most of what I wish and it will not be cyber-bulling of a child

In any case while i obviously can't prove that Tasmanian creature exists or at least did

In my opinion its still something worth looking into 

plus this approach may work for you 

but my life is boring and unpleasant enough

If I thought the way you do that everything is smaller, slower, and without any thing out of ordinary, with consciousness preordain by just action reaction ( which by the way is not true. And the fact is that not only the more we know about human brain the less we know but its also true that our perception can make actual changes) well I could not live like that.    

[Ceratodromeus]

Jun 7, 2020 17:27:23 GMT 5 all said:

But If you believe that Mngwa is unrealistic then the Tasmanian creature (I don't mean thylacine which I also think there is a possibility that it does exist) you are going to think I'm completely insane or incompetent to believe even though it was studied by a biologist from Tasmania Bruce Mollison.

What he said was

" Body has color of elephant ivory, resembling consistency of rubber and is impossible to destroy neither by fire or different chemical substances. It however is not rubber nor body in a normal sense of the word or a fruit pulp. It is something that cannot be assigned to any kind of known system" 

Now I don't know if I should have a reason to doubt this biologist but I haven't found one so far 



    

As far as mngwa is concerned it seems that information you read is quite different than the ones I read so Honestly I don't know what to make of that.

I'd really doubt its any different at all.

But If you believe that Mngwa is unrealistic then the Tasmanian creature (I don't mean thylacine which I also think there is a possibility that it does exist) you are going to think I'm completely insane or incompetent to believe even though it was studied by a biologist from Tasmania Bruce Mollison.


What he said was



" Body has color of elephant ivory, resembling consistency of rubber and is impossible to destroy neither by fire or different chemical substances. It however is not rubber nor body in a normal sense of the word or a fruit pulp. It is something that cannot be assigned to any kind of known system"



Now I don't know if I should have a reason to doubt this biologist but I haven't found one so far

There have been a few notable scientists/ biologists in the cryptid realm. Ivan T. Sanderson and Bernard heuvelmans spring to mind. That doesn't automatically make what they say and do valid. Nice appeal to authority fallacy though.

But I don't understand why I should explain my beliefs to 15 year old kid.

I don't know why a "15 year old kid" has to verbally lash you on fairytales and ambiguous cryptids, so i guess we are both confused. Christ.

[creature386]

I surely didn't like to be talked down to when I was 15. My arguments were stupid back then, sure, but I was interested in what the adults had to say.

[kekistani]

Jun 10, 2020 20:37:25 GMT 5 Ceratodromeus said:

Jun 7, 2020 17:27:23 GMT 5 all said:

But If you believe that Mngwa is unrealistic then the Tasmanian creature (I don't mean thylacine which I also think there is a possibility that it does exist) you are going to think I'm completely insane or incompetent to believe even though it was studied by a biologist from Tasmania Bruce Mollison.

What he said was

" Body has color of elephant ivory, resembling consistency of rubber and is impossible to destroy neither by fire or different chemical substances. It however is not rubber nor body in a normal sense of the word or a fruit pulp. It is something that cannot be assigned to any kind of known system" 

Now I don't know if I should have a reason to doubt this biologist but I haven't found one so far 



    

As far as mngwa is concerned it seems that information you read is quite different than the ones I read so Honestly I don't know what to make of that.

I'd really doubt its any different at all.

But If you believe that Mngwa is unrealistic then the Tasmanian creature (I don't mean thylacine which I also think there is a possibility that it does exist) you are going to think I'm completely insane or incompetent to believe even though it was studied by a biologist from Tasmania Bruce Mollison.


What he said was



" Body has color of elephant ivory, resembling consistency of rubber and is impossible to destroy neither by fire or different chemical substances. It however is not rubber nor body in a normal sense of the word or a fruit pulp. It is something that cannot be assigned to any kind of known system"



Now I don't know if I should have a reason to doubt this biologist but I haven't found one so far

There have been a few notable scientists/ biologists in the cryptid realm. Ivan T. Sanderson and Bernard heuvelmans spring to mind. That doesn't automatically make what they say and do valid. Nice appeal to authority fallacy though.

But I don't understand why I should explain my beliefs to 15 year old kid.

I don't know why a "15 year old kid" has to verbally lash you on fairytales and ambiguous cryptids, so i guess we are both confused. Christ.

On Mngwa, he's quoting Colonel Hitchen's account of it and the Nandi bear that appeared in Huevelman's On the Track of Hidden Beasts. Hitchens simply states it was a big grey brindled cat. Other incidents occurred later in the 30's according to Shuker. Shuker believes these incidents were done by an aberrant form of known feline (due to the fact this grey mottled cat has only been seen once) and witch doctors posing as the legendary animal.

[Infinity Blade]

Jun 10, 2020 20:40:29 GMT 5 creature386 said:

I surely didn't like to be talked down to when I was 15. My arguments were stupid back then, sure, but I was interested in what the adults had to say.

Might I add, if you're truly confident in your thought processes and mindset, surely you shouldn't be concerned about whether or not a mere teenager could deconstruct them, no?

[Ceratodromeus]

I said a lot of dumb shit on these forums when i was 15 but i don't think i ever ran into something like......this

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My Fairy tales. thank you for saying what is on everyone's mind

Not possible but unlikely. not maybe

Just nonsense and stupidity

Something Infinity Blade wanted to say but used different words

The truth is Infinity blade you and I are not as different as you pretend

by now you probably think i have no humility but i don't believe that is the case

You and I both have certain amount of humility. but we both think we are usually right
 
But while you favor logic i favor imagination 

It is those similarities and differences that are the reason we will always bump heads

i knew since the first time I met you that at some point down the line we will have some kind of disagreement

Although i didn't think it would be that bad


And no what I believe is not nonsense even if i'm wrong. nor there is something wrong in the way I approach a problem.

the great knowledge you have infinity blade you earned and have right to it. but I deserve more than I have.

And the fact that despite the fact that you are younger than me yet you have more knowledge and maybe even experience than me is not entirely my fault

And yes i do believe that you had more opportunity to learn than I. What I learned I learned on my own. Without anyone guiding me. So sorry If what I say is sometimes reaching a little bit. 

now you may say I'm being jealous if you wish. But that is not what I would call it

when you first responded to my thoughts about Tasmanian creature i could have taken it with a grain of salt and say nothing

but i just couldn't. 

because of things I said you all hate me now

but I'm very used to this type of outcome

I dealt with people much worse than you (or even me) at least you are logical. when I was 13 a 15-16 year old guy who trained boxing kick the** out of me. i was beating myself over this for a long time. Not because i got hurt. But because I lost. now that I look back at it I think i never had a fair chance. 

you think of me as a monster and an idiot. but there was a time when I wouldn't hurt a fly. And was a good student at school. I was never as logical as you since i was a kid and I was more likely to believe in higher maximum estimate of an animal than a lower one. 

And if that makes me an idiot in your eyes so be it

in short if you expect an apology from me you're for a long wait.
  

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you're in for a long wait my mistake

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flaws in my logic and weak points and me being afraid to engage someone much younger than me (if you were 15) in logical exchange.

the only thing you responded to in one of my posts is that I called you a kid. however I later acknowledged that you are indeed 21

I said that i will not be accused of cyber-bulling a child (since you are 21) but what I said next was not really cyber bulling.

I  simply stated that for me seeing things as larger faster and more interesting in general works better

and me saying that there is more to human brain for example. Than simple action reaction is not a flaw of logic. 

Nor is thinking that there is something more than what we see. (Notice i didn't say that world was created six thousand years ago)

[Infinity Blade]

The truth is Infinity blade you and I are not as different as you pretend

by now you probably think i have no humility but i don't believe that is the case

You and I both have certain amount of humility. but we both think we are usually right

But while you favor logic i favor imagination

You keep mentioning this logic-imagination dichotomy, but I'm not quite the stickler against imagination that you seem to think I am. Sometimes, I do speculate and imagine. I've made Christ knows how many threads and posts on these types of forums where I put forward a speculation and ask people what they think of it. But here's the thing: I at least try to base those speculations and imaginations off of evidence and logic.

As a matter of fact, here's one for you (and the thread): I think the cryptid most likely to exist is the thylacine, still lurking around in remote parts of Tasmania (or maybe New Guinea). I base this off of 1.) the fact that, well, the thylacine is an actual, real-life animal whose description and biology is well-documented, 2.) the fact that thylacines are established to have lived in these parts of the world until relatively recently, 3.) that because its extinction was so relatively recent, that any remote areas where it may still live in (presumably) haven't become so different from its former habitat to the point where they'd be unable to sustain it, and 4.) the numerous sightings may or may not have any weight to them.

And still I have to point out counterarguments and flaws in this reasoning. I'm pretty sure many, maybe most, of said sightings can be dismissed as people confusing them for other animals, and none of them are definitive evidence for the thylacine's continued existence. I don't know for sure that remote habitats haven't changed in the years since the thylacine's apparent extinction. And of course, no one has definitively seen a thylacine in over eight decades. So I still have to take the idea of living thylacines with a pinch of salt (which should tell you something about my attitude towards other cryptids).

Bottom line: if you must imagine or speculate, base it off of reasonable logic and evidence.

It is those similarities and differences that are the reason we will always bump heads

i knew since the first time I met you that at some point down the line we will have some kind of disagreement

Although i didn't think it would be that bad

It...isn't that bad. I don't know about you, but this was far, far, far from the most heated, hate-filled, or blood-boiling discussion I've ever had. As far as disagreements go, this one was, and still is, rather smooth sailing.

because of things I said you all hate me now

What? No, I don't hate you. By itself, disagreeing with someone over whether or not some obscure cryptid exists certainly isn't enough to make me hate someone, let alone make me think they're a monster (where did that even come from?).

I just don't think you have good reasons to think the Tasmanian creature is worth considering as something that possibly exists. That is all.

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Your relatively positive comments in your last post are welcomed.

Even if they are quite surprising 

although I still do believe that I do have reasons to think Tasmanian creature is worth looking into even just to see one way or another. And If I had a chance to find out and it didn't cost me anything than i would have

Some of great inventions came from an educated guess. Many times scientist attempted to find or achieve something that they had good reason to believe would happen while something different did. And those new discoveries proved just as useful .

Negative temperature goes against everything that we knew about science. Yet is is real. 

I also believe that there are many things we can't yet explain that do exist. 

I guess I need less evidence to convince me that something is worth looking into (that does not mean I automatically believe its true even though wishful thinking is sometimes my downfall.)

One think i do believe is true is that human brain is capable of things into which we have not taped into yet or have only started to understand.

I also believe that humans as we are are not a highest point in evolution possible. Even though we are and will be on earth because Earth's future environment and relatively short time of its existence will not allow us or anything else to evolve intelligence past that point. 

I also don't believe that lambda waves riding on epsilon waves in person's brain mean one is sick but rather one is in good and strong interconnection between different places of the brain.

and no I can't prove it because i'm not sure I ever had lambda wave frequency travel through my brain.

I also believe that our mind is not just based on simple action reaction but rather very complex interactive system which is not predestined to react simply based on the input of our environment and our previous history. and to understand for example this system we need imagination just as much as logic

we need top down understanding just as much as bottom up understanding

The reason I use top down understanding is because I have no choice. Because i have no background necessary and no one to guide me. 

And finally human astrocytes are very different than those of mice in all aspects. However they have similar bases. And the size difference is not that large. Human astrocytes have diameter only 2.6 times that of mice. But that allows them to have 20 times the surface area. And difference in cognitive abilities of mice and men is colossal. if our astrocytes were as large to what we are currently as ours are to mice. We would find things in the universe that which we would never dream off. many of which we would never believe existed or were possible. 

But our own brain can do plenty we are simply just realizing how to use it effectively. And to be able to achieve some of those abilities using something that is little bit unusual is worth at least consideration as long as this process does no harm to anyone (including ourselves) 

Just like considering a possibility of something being out of ordinary if there is even a chance that it would lead us to discover something new or different about our planet. and even though the stranger it is the less likely it is real. By the same reason the stranger it is the more we can learn from it even if chances of it existing are slim. It is something that is worth to look into is especially if there is nothing to lose.





 

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Sorry i strayed little bit off topic 

[Ceratodromeus]

Jun 11, 2020 18:20:48 GMT 5 all said:

My Fairy tales. thank you for saying what is on everyone's mind

Not possible but unlikely. not maybe

Just nonsense and stupidity

Something Infinity Blade wanted to say but used different words

The truth is Infinity blade you and I are not as different as you pretend

by now you probably think i have no humility but i don't believe that is the case

You and I both have certain amount of humility. but we both think we are usually right
 
But while you favor logic i favor imagination 

It is those similarities and differences that are the reason we will always bump heads

i knew since the first time I met you that at some point down the line we will have some kind of disagreement

Although i didn't think it would be that bad


And no what I believe is not nonsense even if i'm wrong. nor there is something wrong in the way I approach a problem.

the great knowledge you have infinity blade you earned and have right to it. but I deserve more than I have.

And the fact that despite the fact that you are younger than me yet you have more knowledge and maybe even experience than me is not entirely my fault

And yes i do believe that you had more opportunity to learn than I. What I learned I learned on my own. Without anyone guiding me. So sorry If what I say is sometimes reaching a little bit. 

now you may say I'm being jealous if you wish. But that is not what I would call it

when you first responded to my thoughts about Tasmanian creature i could have taken it with a grain of salt and say nothing

but i just couldn't. 

because of things I said you all hate me now

but I'm very used to this type of outcome

I dealt with people much worse than you (or even me) at least you are logical. when I was 13 a 15-16 year old guy who trained boxing kick the** out of me. i was beating myself over this for a long time. Not because i got hurt. But because I lost. now that I look back at it I think i never had a fair chance. 

you think of me as a monster and an idiot. but there was a time when I wouldn't hurt a fly. And was a good student at school. I was never as logical as you since i was a kid and I was more likely to believe in higher maximum estimate of an animal than a lower one. 

And if that makes me an idiot in your eyes so be it

in short if you expect an apology from me you're for a long wait.
  

My Fairy tales. thank you for saying what is on everyone's mind

Alright space ranger. Maybe you shouldn't try to condescendingly remark on someones "age" -- which you even got incorrect mind you -- and you won't get push back for your statements. It's truly a modern marvel.

Not possible but unlikely. not maybe

Just nonsense and stupidity

Considering the fact that the last reports of this "animal" are from a century ago, yeah.

Something Infinity Blade wanted to say but used different words

Infinity is vastly more nice than i am when it comes to dumb retorts. Count your blessings here.

It is those similarities and differences that are the reason we will always bump heads

I don't think thats it chief.

because of things I said you all hate me now



but I'm very used to this type of outcome

I really doubt anyone "hates you", but you can't pull a victim card after making the remarks you did. I'll bite on this though and use your own condescending remark against you. I shouldnt have to tell a grown ass man this, and i don't know why im wasting my breath on it. 

Isn't the nicest, is it? Maybe consider it next time.

But while you favor logic i favor imagination

Well that's a problem there.

you think of me as a monster and an idiot. but there was a time when I wouldn't hurt a fly. And was a good student at school. I was never as logical as you since i was a kid and I was more likely to believe in higher maximum estimate of an animal than a lower one.



And if that makes me an idiot in your eyes so be it



in short if you expect an apology from me you're for a long wait.

What.....what even is this