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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 19, 2017 6:46:47 GMT 5
The title explains everything; this thread is about the notion of pack hunting in extinct theropod dinosaurs and the nature thereof (i.e. mammalian-style cooperative hunting, communal hunting). Post your opinions regarding the topic.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 20, 2017 6:26:33 GMT 5
It doesn't look like this thread will get attention if I don't bump it up, so I'm going to be the first to contribute. The way I see it... Theropods did, in fact, have the mental capacity to develop cooperative hunting (of the mammalian and avian type) if certain ecological pressures forced them to do so. We know this because Harris' hawk ( Parabuteo unicinctus) is an extant theropod that practices cooperative hunting. Even if more bird-like theropods were more intelligent than others, I doubt the latter would have been any less intelligent than modern crocodilians, which themselves practice already rather sophisticated group hunting techniques ( reference). So even if some theropods weren't as intelligent as those closer to birds, I doubt they would need to take huge leaps to develop cooperative pack hunting behavior if pressed. Heck, there are theropods alive today that are even smarter than these birds of prey (i.e. corvids and parrots, which are thought to rival primates in intelligence IIRC; you don't need to be that smart to be a cooperative pack hunter). And there are more bird species that are this intelligent than there are cooperative pack hunters (as, correct me if I'm wrong, Harris' hawk is the only bird that practices this behavior). That alone suggests to me that it's not so much a matter of "were theropods intelligent enough?" as it is one of "were there any ecological pressures that would have driven theropods to develop advanced cooperative hunting behavior?". In other words, "did any of them need it?". Given how non-avian theropods existed for ~165 million years, I'd be shocked if no taxon was ever ecologically pressed to become pack hunters akin to today's Harris' hawk and some carnivorans. Correct me wherever I'm wrong.
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Post by creature386 on Jun 21, 2018 22:45:25 GMT 5
There are some people who think that Deinonychus only mobbed Tenontosaurus in groups instead of engaging in coordinated pack hunting: www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.3374/0079-032X%282007%2948%5B103%3AAROCPH%5D2.0.CO%3B2(I have only read the abstract, but I wonder if these "diapsids" include birds as well) That being said, I agree with Ausar. I can imagine that there were theropods who hunted in packs and others who didn't, but telling who was who is of course going to be difficult.
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Post by dinosauria101 on Apr 29, 2019 22:21:55 GMT 5
Well we do have fossil evidence for Gorgosaurus and Daspletosaurus, as well as Megaraptor, Deinonychus, Aucasaurus, and Mapusaurus. I think it's safe to say those species engaged from time to time at the least.
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 9, 2020 20:11:44 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on May 9, 2020 23:19:43 GMT 5
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Post by all on May 31, 2020 22:36:57 GMT 5
I agree theropods at least some of them did have intelligence to be pack hunters. As it was mentioned crocodiles can cooperate well together and are smart predators. Theropods are often described as having large eyes and large brains. I don't know exact dimensions but there is an interesting fact brain of birds although small generally have high neuron density, even though it is visible more in one specie than other. However brain of raven for example is four times as dense as brains of primates. and since birds are descendants of theropods even though brains of theropod brains were probably not as neuron dense as those of corvids or even many of the other bird species. There is a possibility that they were denser than those of other herbivore dinosaurs or modern crocodiles.
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Post by Infinity Blade on Jan 19, 2021 8:49:21 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Apr 29, 2021 0:02:03 GMT 5
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Post by Infinity Blade on Feb 12, 2022 10:35:42 GMT 5
I found a really interesting paper that seeks to view social hunting in animals in a multidimensional manner ( Lang & Farine, 2017). It looks at five different aspects to categorize the kind of social hunting a species exhibits. Maybe we should be examining social hunting in animals more like this.
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