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Post by dinosauria101 on Feb 20, 2019 0:15:06 GMT 5
Pontolis magnus Pontolis was a large species of pinniped closely related to a modern-day walrus. It contained only the single species Pontolis magnus. An amphibious carnivore, it was found in formerly marine or coastal areas in what is now California and Oregon, dating between 11.608 and 5.332 million years ago, during the Miocene and Pliocene. Estimated Weight - 1,000 to 3,000 kg? Liopleurodon ferox Liopleurodon (meaning 'smooth-sided teeth') is a genus of large, carnivorous marine reptile belonging to the Pliosauroidea, a clade of short-necked plesiosaurs. The two species of Liopleurodon lived during the Callovian stage of the Middle Jurassic Period (c. 160 to 155 mya). It was the apex predator of the Middle to Late Jurassic seas that covered Europe. The largest species, L. ferox, is estimated to have grown up to 6.4 metres (21 ft) in length. Four strong paddle-like limbs suggest that Liopleurodon was a powerful swimmer. Its four-flipper mode of propulsion is characteristic of all plesiosaurs. A study involving a swimming robot has demonstrated that although this form of propulsion is not especially efficient, it provides very good acceleration - a desirable trait in an ambush predator. Studies of the skull have shown that it could probably scan the water with its nostrils to ascertain the source of certain smells. The body mass has been estimated at 1 and 1.7 t (2,200 and 3,700 lb) for the lengths 4.8 and 7 m (16 and 23 ft) respectively. Credit to Wikipedia
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 17, 2019 5:04:23 GMT 5
This has now been edited to something else!
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Post by rock on May 18, 2019 2:01:15 GMT 5
i do not know enough about either but i will just go with the popular vote
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 18, 2019 14:45:18 GMT 5
i do not know enough about either but i will just go with the popular vote Good choice! I'd say Lio could get a good bite in and maybe rip off a flipper, then swim back and wait for its adversary to weaken
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Post by elosha11 on May 19, 2019 2:50:53 GMT 5
So Pontolis seems to be about the size of a northern elephant seal, maybe slightly larger at top range. But great whites have the clear advantage over them, even at max size. Generally we consider liopleurodon ferox to be comparable to a GWS, but on the other hand it seems the pliosaur may have been quite a bit lighter than the shark at max size. Plus great white teeth are perfectly designed for cutting blubber, unlike Liopleurudon's teeth.
If Liopleurodon only reached 3700 pounds (approx 1700 kgs), I'd likely favor a larger 3000 kg Pontolis at max sizes. Too much size disparity, and Liopleurodon didn't possess the best type of teeth or have experience dealing with such animals. It would likely be driven off or even severely bitten. However, at parity weight, I comfortably favor the Liopleurodon. It's still a fast ambush predator and its jaws, while not perfect for this task, could still do great damage, particularly to an animal its own size.
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 19, 2019 14:14:11 GMT 5
So Pontolis seems to be about the size of a northern elephant seal, maybe slightly larger at top range. But great whites have the clear advantage over them, even at max size. Generally we consider liopleurodon ferox to be comparable to a GWS, but on the other hand it seems the pliosaur may have been quite a bit lighter than the shark at max size. Plus great white teeth are perfectly designed for cutting blubber, unlike Liopleurudon's teeth. If Liopleurodon only reached 3700 pounds (approx 1700 kgs), I'd likely favor a larger 3000 kg Pontolis at max sizes. Too much size disparity, and Liopleurodon didn't possess the best type of teeth or have experience dealing with such animals. It would likely be driven off or even severely bitten. However, at parity weight, I comfortably favor the Liopleurodon. It's still a fast ambush predator and its jaws, while not perfect for this task, could still do great damage, particularly to an animal its own size. ^I agree with you that victory for Liopleurodon, if it did happen, wouldn't be easy. However, might the Liopleurodon be able to severely damage the pinniped's tail flippers to the point where mobility is hindered? That's how I had envisioned it winning. It would also have a considerable mobility advantage, so I'd either call a stalemate, or edge to the pliosaur. Could I have missed something however?
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Post by DonaldCengXiongAzuma on May 25, 2019 8:08:26 GMT 5
As much as I like the pontolis, I believe the liopleurodon takes it comfortably due to its more devastating jaws (four times stronger than a t rex). If a great white shark can do damage to an elephant seal, immagine what the jaws of a liopleurodon ferox can do?
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Post by dinosauria101 on May 25, 2019 9:22:19 GMT 5
As much as I like the pontolis, I believe the liopleurodon takes it comfortably due to its more devastating jaws (four times stronger than a t rex). If a great white shark can do damage to an elephant seal, immagine what the jaws of a liopleurodon ferox can do? That's Pliosaurus. It's over 10 times bigger than Liopleurodon. Do not mix them up. That being said, I agree with you. Liopleurodon could severely damage the flippers to the point of immobilization, then take bites until it killed the pinniped
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Post by poseidon on Jul 24, 2021 20:47:26 GMT 5
I'd favor liopleurodon 70%, he has very powerful jaws
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